Who do we have as admin?

I agree that loomio shouldn't take away from the F2F aspect of timebanking. That is essential.

However, I have been thinking about governance structures for the Wellington Timebank recently and loomio is potentially a great tool for more collective decision making within a broader network of members. At the moment we have a steering committee that meets monthly (8 of us) but I feel like we would more adequately represent the TB membership if they were more engaged in the decision making processes at the governance level. Loomio provides a forum where they can participate in decision making without having to commit to being part of a steering committee.

Yeah I don't think loomio even could replace the F2F side of timebanking.

The idea behind wanting Taranaki Timebank on loomio specifically is we want the timebank itself to be owned and run by the members, not just a subset of co-ordinators. This would shift ownership to the community, give co-ordinators more time to do the things they signed up for and help our timebank become self sufficient.

It might mean that Taranaki Timebank on Loomio is best as a main group on it's own but I like the idea of it being a part of the wider national group.

Having said that we could still have subgroups for tech, funding, guidelines at the national level as well?

Returning to the starting topic of this thread...

I think we need to invite as many people involved in TB around the country as we can, otherwise there's a risk we are seen as setting up an undemocratic secret government for TBANZ.

I think that being admin should come with the responsibility for introducing people that you bring onto the loomio team in a thorough way so that they know how to engage with the tool. <<

That assumes that we all know how to engage with the tool ;) So far, this group is using Loom.io like a forum, with rambling discussions on very broad topics. That's useful, but what Loomio iss really intended for IMHO is to hold discussion on very specific topics, with the goal of coming up with a proposal, and making a decision. To illustrate that, I'm going to make a proposal on this thread.

What usually happens next in Loomio dev discussions is that a friendly debate ensues about the pros and cons of the proposal, and people take positions using the pie chart tool. As the debate goes on, positions change, and either
a) the proposal is accepted, or
b) the proposal is closed, and a modified proposal is put up to reflect the issues which have come up during discussion

I agree with the proposal and think that people invited to be an admin would have to accept training (via skype etc) before being made an admin.

I agree but I think we need to be careful about growth rates.

I think it's a good time to start bringing more people, one representative from each timebank would be a good start but making everyone admins has the potential to explode member numbers.

There's only 2 reasons for limiting growth:

First is that Hannah and I have agreed to handle all Timebank Loomio support and feedback.

As the people we bring on get more confident the support and feedback can be spread across more people, I think one representative from each timebank would be excellent for that.

The second is that the loomio organisation has asked us to keep the group small for now, development is progressing rapidly so this won't be a constraint for long.

If the consensus is that we need an admin from every group we can just talk to the loomio guys and explain that the group reached a consensus that we need more members.

Could people agree to this proposal with the following addition:

Short term, I propose that every active TB group be invited to nominate a delegate, who will be added as a member of this Loomio group. This person will be responsible for reporting on the discussions and proposals here to their local membership, and bringing back feedback from them into the discussions and proposals here.

@Strypey that really sounds ideal to me, I think it's a great next step in integrating timebanks with Loomio.

No brainer for me, let's do it!

Fantatic, love this, could someone with admin access please amend my email to read [email protected] as I have to log in with [email protected] and I think that is the reason that I am not getting email notifications?

I agree with the proposal that each TB be "invited" to nominate a person to be a member. Bearing in mind many TB will be too busy building their TB and may have no interest in joining yet another group with yet another log on. My understanding from the discussion below is they would not all be made admins until Paul & Hannah advise that Loomio can handle that. Could Paul or Hannah detail what would be needed for "a thorough process for inducting people into loomio"? Could a little simple instruction list be created as a guide on how the best, the tool could be used. Strypey suggests we are using this as rambling discussions and gives examples of a better way to use it. Could those of you who know how to use the tool agree on a guidline list and post it on the main page to keep all the newbies like me on track and so its visible for each new person that logs on?