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Tue 4 May

Quarterly Project 2021Q3

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Cj Malone Public Seen by 55

With QP2: Buildings well under way, lets start thinking about our QP3 topic. Post some ideas in this thread, and I'll start a vote next week.

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Cj Malone Tue 4 May

Health Care: Pharmacies, Doctors, Hospitals, etc

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Cj Malone Tue 4 May

Crossings: Details such as tactile paving and kerbs

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Cj Malone Tue 4 May

Maybe be more generic and focus on all aspects of accessibility data.

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Cj Malone Tue 4 May

Recycling: Centres and Containers.

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Jez Nicholson Tue 4 May

...and all things 'waste processing': incinerators; scrap-metal dealers; waste transit stations (where the bin lorry takes your rubbish)

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Tony Shield Tue 4 May

From today's OpenData Manchester newletter:

With the support of the Open Data Institute's Stimulus Fund, Open Data Manchester and waste-data experts Your Dsposal have co-designed, prototyped and tested a new data standard for the waste industry.

The Open3R standard focusses on the inconsistency of information about Household Waste Recycling Centres, 'the tip', which means people often find it hard to find out things like what can and can't be recycled locally.

The lack of interoperable, digital systems in the waste industry is bad for the environment and leaves it open to abuse from serious and organised crime – while we know that creating open-data standards can reduce inefficiencies and open up opportunities for innovation.

You can access the data standard, the first associated dataset and the upcoming plans for the data standard here.

Keep an eye on the newsletter for more developments on this project – or email sophie@opendatamanchester.org.uk if you'd like to get involved with this project.

https://dsposal.uk/your/articles/open3r

Possibly it may help define what needs to be mapped and provide a source of data

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Jez Nicholson Tue 4 May

Indeed it is. I've been doing hackdays with Dsposal and CodeTheCity in Aberdeen to build https://openwastemap.uk/ We intend to output data to the Open Data Manchester-produced standard + make a user interface that Councils and citizens find easy to use to enter and update data.

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Nick Whitelegg Tue 4 May

With the end of lockdown and (we hope) half-decent weather, something outdoorsy and countryside-oriented? Another footpaths/ROW oriented project like the one from 2018?

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Cj Malone Tue 4 May

+1 for outside stuff.

I feel my local place (Isle of Wight) is in the 80% category, it looks done, but there is probably a lot more that could be done.

GMD

I've always wanted us to do a QP on tourism: information centres/boards, beach features, seafront-shops, etc. Big potential that these have closed/changed since being last mapped.

Even when it's not a big tourist destination, a lot of places have history trails or things like that to follow/map.

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jambamkin Wed 5 May

Tourism sounds like a great theme, it's a well documented tagging area, and it will have big impact on people's desire to use the map if it has the latest activities. Lots of people holidaying inside the country this year including OSMUK members I'm sure.

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Nick Whitelegg Tue 4 May

.. a 'fill in the gaps' footpath mapping project - there are areas where say 80% of the footpaths have been mapped on the ground but the other 20% not, because the map 'looks' completed and no-one has targeted the area.

... or, a 'map your local permissive footpaths' project, one great advantage we have over OS which doesn't show all of them.

... 'local' being a fairly wide definition, maybe other areas within your county as it's likely that you will have mapped all the permissive paths in your immediate vicinity!

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Jay Turner Tue 4 May

Obviously, my suggestion is going to be a nationwide NaPTAN data refresh and other public transport stuff

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Cj Malone Tue 4 May

I feel like 90% of the NaPTAN stuff could be done by 1 person going through the imports process. NGL the imports process is the reason I haven't already done it, the technical bit should be fairly straight forward.

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Tony Shield Tue 4 May

I had a similar idea as Jay Turner - verify whats on the ground in terms of bus routes and stops. Last weekend Burnley Transport part of Transdev with Lancashire CC inaugurated Ribble Country, it is a new series of routes, amendments and deletions branded Ribble Country Network. I intend to start mapping some of it but I dont have the smarts to handle updating with GTFS. Their website provides OpenData https://www.transdevbus.co.uk/open-data as GTFS from NaPTAN (it also uses OSM basemap on which to overlay their routes).

CJ Malone thinks it is easy going through the imports process - honest it isn't. I would like to see a working party define and build a process that could reliably update buses. In the meantime flag whats wrong so it's a marker for maintenance, I know PT relations are fiddly so marking for maintenance is great for those who are happy fiddling with PT relations.

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Cj Malone Tue 4 May

I wasn't suggesting imports is easy, the opposite, it's the burden that's stopped me updating NaPTAN data in OSM. I've just converted the bus stops from Transdev into GeoJSON, you should be able to open it and process it in JOSM now.

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Tony Shield Tue 4 May

Conflating that lot will keep me quiet for a week or so . . . . 🙂

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Ed Loach Tue 4 May

I used to use the TransXChange format open data from the tnds ftp site to keep local bus routes updated. It appears to be moving to a download from https://data.bus-data.dft.gov.uk/timetable/download/ instead, which also has a GTFS option. I am still experimenting as the data doesn't seem to be the same (I downloaded the latest data again yesterday evening to see if anything changed, but a week or two back I was investigating the HEDO 136 which runs near here, and the TransXChange data and the companies website says the route variants are the same Monday to Saturday, but GTFS has different routes for Saturday than Monday to Friday). So I've stopped updating locally (Tendring when first unsure about the data, Essex when happy) until I can be sure what data I can trust.