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February 2nd, 2019 21:52

Money from ppbe for the elections

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Last piratelab (26th of January), we were discussing about the money on the account of the informal union (feitelijke vereniging/association de fait) and the coming elections.

As there is some money on it (approx. 4500 €), it would be a pity not to use it for the elections. However, the appetite for a GA is not very big as we need everyone on those elections.

So, the proposal is as follows:

  • we keep 1500 € for operations after the elections ;
  • 1500 € are allocated for Flanders and,
  • 1500 € for Wallonia.

It means that both groups would have the possibility to spend up to 1.500€ for this year's elections. To be able to receive the money, they would provide either an invoice or a proof of a consensus in their group.

Brussels is not included as there is no crew and/or active Pirates running for elections.
Either you provide an invoice or a consensus among Flanders or Wallonia, so Patrick has some proof for why the money goes off the bank account.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse February 3rd, 2019 09:56

First of all, thanks you for the initiative.

I would like to provide a quick snapshot of the money related activities and « s(p)ending possibilities » for the moment (Feb. 2019). If I miss something, please add your comments.

Take note that the « regional point of view » does not talk about Brussels, but I do not think that there is some « active pirates crew or folk» there. So, not a problem.

Pirates be

We keep 1500€ on the Triodos account (IBAN: BE90 5230 8062 213), that's the easy part and it gives us arround 2 years of lifetime.

  • keep the servers, services and domains running (742,29€ / year, see IT Squad)

In the past it was 1129,17€/year see IT Squad history of the wiki page.

Pirates vlanderen

Where (and how) do we send 1500€ ?

Note : Mermaid vzw was made for Belgian Pirates, but here and now it would be a good way to share the treasure for the Regional Elections.

Pirates wallonia

Where (and how) do we send 1500€ ?

As far as I know there is no crowd funding nor another bank account for Wallonia.

  • Maybe a contribution to a law suit to the Conseil D'État if the PPBe wich to help (±700, see January PirateLab ?
  • Maybe something on it's way for the Pirates de Liège ?
Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout February 3rd, 2019 13:55

Oh, it wasn't very clear in the first message, but what we had discussed at January's Lab is this : each of both regions (Flanders & Wallonia, as Brussels doesn't have active members or a crew) could spend 1.500€ for the elections (in exchange of invoice and/or proof of a decision by consensus in their region). So it's not "we send 1.500€ on a bank account".

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse February 3rd, 2019 16:11

Ha. Ok. It's different that what I understood.

So how do we keep tracking of those invoices, the amounts and the usage ?

  • Here on this Loomio thread ? It's easy to send / attach a document.
  • On a pad ? It's easy to edit. But we can not easily attach / send a document
  • At last on wiki page to centralize both invoices and usage ?

Probably a mix of it.

Maybe it would be a good time to improve the proposition (the main text on this thread) to make in more clear.

Thanks for your inputs.

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout February 4th, 2019 14:06

I updated the context of the proposition to avoid confusion.

To keep track, I'd suggest a mix Loomio/wiki : Loomio to announce and/or discuss if needed + wiki to keep the documents in a proper documented page.

HgO

HgO February 8th, 2019 11:02

As far as I know there is no crowd funding nor another bank account for Wallonia.

  • Maybe a contribution to a law suit to the Conseil D'État if the PPBe wich to help (±700, see January PirateLab ?

Just a precision : the contribution would not be part of the budget for the Wallonia, as it's not part of their campaign ;)