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Money from ppbe for the elections

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Last piratelab (26th of January), we were discussing about the money on the account of the informal union (feitelijke vereniging/association de fait) and the coming elections.

As there is some money on it (approx. 4500 €), it would be a pity not to use it for the elections. However, the appetite for a GA is not very big as we need everyone on those elections.

So, the proposal is as follows:

  • we keep 1500 € for operations after the elections ;
  • 1500 € are allocated for Flanders and,
  • 1500 € for Wallonia.

It means that both groups would have the possibility to spend up to 1.500€ for this year's elections. To be able to receive the money, they would provide either an invoice or a proof of a consensus in their group.

Brussels is not included as there is no crew and/or active Pirates running for elections.
Either you provide an invoice or a consensus among Flanders or Wallonia, so Patrick has some proof for why the money goes off the bank account.

TF

Thierry Fenasse Sun 3 Feb 2019

First of all, thanks you for the initiative.

I would like to provide a quick snapshot of the money related activities and « s(p)ending possibilities » for the moment (Feb. 2019). If I miss something, please add your comments.

Take note that the « regional point of view » does not talk about Brussels, but I do not think that there is some « active pirates crew or folk» there. So, not a problem.

Pirates be

We keep 1500€ on the Triodos account (IBAN: BE90 5230 8062 213), that's the easy part and it gives us arround 2 years of lifetime.

  • keep the servers, services and domains running (742,29€ / year, see IT Squad)

In the past it was 1129,17€/year see IT Squad history of the wiki page.

Pirates vlanderen

Where (and how) do we send 1500€ ?

Note : Mermaid vzw was made for Belgian Pirates, but here and now it would be a good way to share the treasure for the Regional Elections.

Pirates wallonia

Where (and how) do we send 1500€ ?

As far as I know there is no crowd funding nor another bank account for Wallonia.

  • Maybe a contribution to a law suit to the Conseil D'État if the PPBe wich to help (±700, see January PirateLab ?
  • Maybe something on it's way for the Pirates de Liège ?
RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Sun 3 Feb 2019

Oh, it wasn't very clear in the first message, but what we had discussed at January's Lab is this : each of both regions (Flanders & Wallonia, as Brussels doesn't have active members or a crew) could spend 1.500€ for the elections (in exchange of invoice and/or proof of a decision by consensus in their region). So it's not "we send 1.500€ on a bank account".

TF

Thierry Fenasse Sun 3 Feb 2019

Ha. Ok. It's different that what I understood.

So how do we keep tracking of those invoices, the amounts and the usage ?

  • Here on this Loomio thread ? It's easy to send / attach a document.
  • On a pad ? It's easy to edit. But we can not easily attach / send a document
  • At last on wiki page to centralize both invoices and usage ?

Probably a mix of it.

Maybe it would be a good time to improve the proposition (the main text on this thread) to make in more clear.

Thanks for your inputs.

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Mon 4 Feb 2019

I updated the context of the proposition to avoid confusion.

To keep track, I'd suggest a mix Loomio/wiki : Loomio to announce and/or discuss if needed + wiki to keep the documents in a proper documented page.

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HgO Fri 8 Feb 2019

As far as I know there is no crowd funding nor another bank account for Wallonia.

  • Maybe a contribution to a law suit to the Conseil D'État if the PPBe wich to help (±700, see January PirateLab ?

Just a precision : the contribution would not be part of the budget for the Wallonia, as it's not part of their campaign ;)