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Thu 17 Oct 2013 10:58AM

Add another filtered tag besides #nsfw to mark explicit/graphic content

DS Dennis Schubert Public Seen by 78

A group of users suggested to add another tag besides #nsfw to mark non-sexual content as explicit/graphic.

One possible tag is #wgc (as in "warning graphic content"), I could also think of #triggerwarning and other stuff.

rfc. just throwing it inside Loomio to start the discussion.

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goob Thu 17 Oct 2013 11:06AM

Do these people consider that #nsfw doesn't cover non-sexual graphic content? Because in my opinion, 'not safe for work' covers anything graphic that a boss might object to you looking at when they walk past your desk unexpectedly. It also applies to text: 'blue' jokes or racist rants should also have a #nsfw tag, among other things; because even if the person reading them might not be offended by them, a colleague or boss looking over their shoulder might be. That's my understanding of the nature of 'NSFW', and how the tag should be used. I don't see a need for a separate tag, and think introducing more tags would cause confusion.

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goob Thu 17 Oct 2013 11:08AM

I do think, however, that it would be good if it were possible in user settings to choose for NSFW content to be displayed, if you want to see that stuff.

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Jason Robinson Thu 17 Oct 2013 7:06PM

Yeah I do agree with Goob initially anyway - one tag should cover anything that isn't safe for "delicate" environments... otherwise soon we will need 10 tags or more to cover different kind of content and then no one will know how to post things.

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rekado Fri 18 Oct 2013 4:09AM

Why not offer a customisable tag filter list that is preset to #nsfw. Any other tag in that list would result in matching posts to receive the current "nsfw-treatment".

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goob Fri 18 Oct 2013 11:25AM

I'm thinking that perhaps the solution is to inform people what #nsfw is and how it works. Perhaps we could introduce little help snippets on the preferences page, so for example there would be a 'what is this?' link next to the #nsfw setting, which when clicked would produce a little pop-up with a brief explanation.

I regularly see new members who have set #nsfw in their preferences when they're not posting NSFW content, because they didn't understand what it means and what it does.

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Jason Robinson Fri 18 Oct 2013 2:07PM

rekado, thought of that too, it could be one option if we really want this. However, how much benefit it brings to weighting against the more complex code and UX..

Goob, I never understood why that setting is even there. Does someone use it properly? I'd just remove it and add a checkbox to the message composing box for nsfw just to make it "easier" for the NSFW crew.

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goob Fri 18 Oct 2013 5:55PM

That could be an idea, Jason. There are few people who will only ever post NSFW content - good idea to add a check-box under the publisher instead. The NSFW setting in preferences could then be to set the default - so if 90% of your content was NSFW, the option under the publisher would be set to on by default, and you could switch it off when you were posting kittens.

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Xophael Fri 18 Oct 2013 6:50PM

I agree with you, Goob. Mileages vary on what is "safe for work" or not, but #nsfw is a well-known tag for anything that might have mixed reception. Maybe provide some hint box when hovering on the tag to explain it.
I also agree that the option in the profile should set whether users want to have #nsfw posts visible by default in their stream, instead of default #nsfw tagging on everything published by them.
While we're at it, I'd appreciate some markup to hide part of the post; [spoiler] would be rather standard for that purpose. I don't think it's been implemented yet?

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Adrenalin Sun 20 Oct 2013 1:15PM

@ Goob

Do these people consider that #nsfw doesn’t cover non-sexual graphic content?

Yes, and this is why we have this feature request now. I posted some "graphic content" and got very negative feedback on it.

It was one picture of torture in Abu Ghuraib, One of those, who made it in the news around the globe. If you can read german you will find the discussion here:
https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/1549602

The context was that #AbuGhraib #Torture Victims Ordered To Pay #US. Contractor's Legal Fees

I got criticized for not hiding the picture with #nsfw as some people feel this is too much cruelty or violence specially for people who had such experiences themselves. They might get traumatized again.

To my experience the #nsfw tag gets used for sexual explicit content and I know many people who do not wish to see this content while they like discussing political issues. This is the reason for the request to get a second tag to warn the posting contains explicit/graphic content but not porn or nudity.

The #nsfw tag doesn't make a lot of sense to me as more than 90% of companies here in germany do not accept if their employees surf the web privately. They often monitor their employees by logging where they surf. So any diaspora-content would be not suitable for work.

I am not a programmer or so but I think it can be done as easy as it is done for the tag#nsfw. It would mean just to add a second tag that results in hiding the posting as it does for #nsfw. But users clearly are notified that it is not about porn, sex or nudity.

This was discussed by some users and led to the request to add a tag #wgc to indicate "warning graphic content".

I do have a lot of respect for other users feelings and I had to learn that stuff I would not even hide at all might hurt the feelings of others or even worse puts them in psychological trouble.

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Adrenalin Sun 20 Oct 2013 1:20PM

@rekado

I like that idea, it is exactly what we (now speaking for those who discussed in german and agreed on the idea to separate graphic content from just porn or sexual content) wanted to have.

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