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December 17th, 2018 23:18

How people join Hackland

Jorån Kikke
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I'm gunna propose some changes to how people join Hackland

basically to protect our space from being overwhelmed by lots of new people who break everything and go away

Idea 1 - 'casual koha membership' goes away - we have enough normal members to survive and actual membership is really easy to get

Idea 2 - we only give out the door code over slack, so new people must have slack setup and working

Idea 3 - on the 'Join Hackland' form we ask "What are you excited about useing the space for?"

we also state here that joining Hackland for one off, time restricted projects, is not really the vibe of the space

for these there are plenty of commercial spaces you can hire which are setup to heal all the tools

stuff I'm hoping to fix: 3-4 of our long term members have felt that their tools were in danger and have taken them out of the space

this has left the remaining tools in even more danger and left a bad feeling of 'well I should take mine too then, but I don't want to completely destroy Hackland"

thoughts?

Added a bunch of proposals

Helena

Helena December 18th, 2018 05:30

I like all these ideas, people that pay membership into the koha jar are even more elusive, so commiting to some transactions and a slack account seems rather fair. Hackland is a hackspace not a rental workshop, we shouldn’t feel obliged to accomodate temporary members but the other way round. Really don’t want another 3-day member dump a tyre on us 3:

cstewart000

cstewart000 December 18th, 2018 07:12

I am for all of this. I have a lot of tools invested and would be happier to see tighter controls.

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke started a proposal December 18th, 2018 07:18

Stop people joining for one off, time critical projects Closed 8:02pm - Tuesday 25 Dec 2018

Outcome
by Jorån Kikke October 19th, 2019 20:08

on the 'Join Hackland' form we ask "What are you excited about useing the space for?"

we also state here that joining Hackland for one off, time restricted projects, is not really the vibe of the space

for these there are plenty of commercial spaces you can hire which are setup to heal all the tools

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Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke started a proposal December 18th, 2018 07:19

Stop long term casual koha membership Closed 8:02pm - Tuesday 25 Dec 2018

We have enough normal members to survive and actual membership is really easy to get, there's no reason for people not to sign up properly

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Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke started a proposal December 18th, 2018 07:21

Only give code over Slack Closed 8:02pm - Tuesday 25 Dec 2018

To keep it so people know how we communicate, only give people to door code in a private message via Slack, this makes sure they're setup to get messages

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Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke
Agree
December 18th, 2018 07:21

This seems easy and I already try and do this, but lets make it a clear part of the process

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke
Agree
December 18th, 2018 07:22

I dislike this one the most - I don't want to discourage people dropping in because they're curious, but I do want to discourage "Cheap workshop for a week" people

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke
Agree
December 18th, 2018 07:26

People rushing to build one thing and then leaving has done a fair bit of damage and we're not setup for this. Plenty of commercial workshop spaces are

Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking December 18th, 2018 22:12

i think we should ask people, “what are you contributing to hackland other than just money?”

Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking
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December 18th, 2018 22:13

it raises the bar a bit for non tech / older people maybe? but also how many of those do we have on the door code

Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking
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December 18th, 2018 22:13

Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking
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December 18th, 2018 22:14

baptiste

baptiste December 19th, 2018 01:55

Hey,
1/ I did not even know we had a 'casual koha membership'.
2/ Pushing people to get on Slack is totally a necessary push :)
3/ An intro to the mindset of the place would really help people settle in - a "valve" like introduction booklet or video, showing what the guidelines mean in practice. That might be even more efficient than a question thrown at new members if they do not have any context.
Happy to help wit that.

Other thoughts :
short time members : Some peeps might be really valuable to have in the space even for a short time.
And about breaking tools/consumables : I think it is a separate discussion, I have heard about separate account to replace broken bits and pieces, and it s a good idea.

baptiste

baptiste
Agree
December 19th, 2018 01:56

baptiste

baptiste
Agree
December 19th, 2018 01:56

baptiste

baptiste
Abstain
December 19th, 2018 01:58

I think we can introduce them to the space better - telling them what and how they can do things rather than telling what they cannot do.

Robbie Cameron

Robbie Cameron
Agree
December 19th, 2018 18:17

Robbie Cameron

Robbie Cameron
Agree
December 19th, 2018 18:19

Jan Huwald

Jan Huwald
Agree
December 21st, 2018 10:50

Slack is a terrible medium but in absence of a better one access to the space should only be available in exchange for bi-directional communication.

cstewart000

cstewart000 started a proposal March 16th, 2019 21:57

Lets sort out upstairs Closed 10:03am - Wednesday 20 Mar 2019

Hackland belongs to all members. Currently the upstairs area is sub-optimal. There have been a few proposals as to what it should be. But we need some concrete action to make it a reality.

Proposal: Working bee Saturday morning 23rd of March (2 hours or so to do a tip run).

Agree- Working bee 23rd from 10am
Disagree - Nahhhhh

Please add any other decisions or discussion for the final outcome.

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cstewart000

cstewart000
Agree
March 16th, 2019 21:59

R

Ryan
Agree
March 17th, 2019 01:12

Helena

Helena
Agree
March 17th, 2019 01:17

I won’t be able to attend (will be back in NZ in mid April) I would suggest to focus this as membership storage as we don’t have storage facilities for all members. Plus one/two work tables for focussed/quiet work. Maybe we can set up the shower a little better so members can actually use it?

R B

R B
Agree
March 17th, 2019 01:34

Perhaps a garage sale at some time to fundraise / dispose of excess junk/treasures?

Robbie Cameron

Robbie Cameron
Agree
March 17th, 2019 19:46

Rylan Baird

Rylan Baird
Agree
March 17th, 2019 20:32

Simon

Simon
Agree
March 18th, 2019 01:20

member storage would be good.

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke
Agree
March 18th, 2019 20:27

Tom Atkinson

Tom Atkinson October 22nd, 2019 16:45

Hello team, my first post here. I would suggest perhaps that some extra transparency regarding who is a member could help. Ideally, some way to verify membership might help with security and maybe motivate the curious to join. Requiring bank transfers is a smart choice. Kiwibank business accounts you can create a "read-only" data access user, which might enable mid-level and beginner members to verify people who show up. This might also boost revenue somewhat by turning everyone into sales/accounts/debt collection if you get my drift? For example, if I could check a prospective or new members payments, maybe I could convince them to join or give them a welcome tour / roll out the red carpet for a new member (for example). Everyone has their own levels of comfort about usage, but I like to tread lightly and wanted a few weeks of payments to go through before getting more involved. I just put a linuxbox in which has a big music library on it (need some help getting Samba working better) the idea is the other machines could stream audio across the LAN or make some kind of jukebox server. Soon I will bring some tools, and contribute my collection of nuts and bolts to the current collection. Nothing super valuable. I feel like it would be such a shame if anything bad happened such as anything being stolen, that I will try to do my bit to protect things where possible. Currently it's a bit like getting into a nightclub on the doorlist and I wonder what ways we can self-police all this. :)