Hi,

There are a few groups working on that you need. Don' t reinvent the wheel.

valuenetwork.referata.com

From there you can find other projects on github that want to federate and brake siloes.

I know all of them, don't worry ;)

HI @draft

I think lots of people want to work on an open app ecosystem, me included.
I'd like to work towards a system which would enable something like PLANET to be possible... https://open.coop/2017/01/10/planet-open-source-operating-system-collaborative-sustainable-economy/

I have also been chatting to @edwardwest about how to re-boot the Collaborative Technology Alliance https://medium.com/enspiral-tales/doing-more-together-together-seeding-a-collaborative-technology-alliance-82243ea30d41

We have been doing some outreach to work out which people and orgs and projects across the world would be interested in participating - and to try and work out what collaboration might look like / what we would work on together and an international group...

The main issue with collaboration in this area is that it is THE BIGGEST project the open source / collaborative tech / commons transition Worlds have yet to tackle - and to date no collective has managed to break it down into (technologically compatible) bite-sized chunks, so people / groups tend to spin off and carry on working on their own, overlapping yet incompatible (from a tech perspective) projects which is a HUGE shame imho

I would be interested to support work on this wider, coordination project, in order to try and achieve some of the network effects we need to move to scale...

Thanks for sharing @olisb . I'll add personal reflections because I was deeply involved in CTA discussions when its Hylo group seemed most active, for several months after @edwardwest posted the blog which you linked above.

CTA has been deeply interesting and intellectually fertile. It seemed to me however that beyond our Hylo discussions-- and, quietly at first-- most of the limited but real work aimed to create API integrations between specific platforms, including Hylo, which are controlled by small exclusive groups of owners and workers.

Perhaps some folks viewed that as merely preliminary work, towards developing truly open technical standards. Perhaps they also viewed it as necessary to help small separate platforms survive, grow, and compete with monolithic empires like Google and Facebook. I don't want to speculate much. I'd prefer for platform owners and workers to speak for themselves.

Anyway, if CTA ever revives in an openly inviting way, I hope there will be clearer indications of what the public is and isn't being invited into. For instance, if specific decision-making structures exist, I'd like to see them. I love open data.

As I wrote in Hylo recently, CTA's turbulent history has been a big influence on my personal development. Most of my work looks beyond "platforms" to focus on the coordinated development of open source standards. However, I think we all face the SAME challenges in trying to develop effective communications and decision processes which scale inclusively for large diverse communities. We each need to identify personally sustainable steps to pursue such visions. I hope to coordinate constructively with CTA folks and others.

While I'm here, I want to reiterate my creative debt to the original Open App Ecosystem vision. :)

Greg, totally agree with all of that. I do think the CTA turned out to be a wonderful gathering place, and a way for like-minded people to find each other. (I believe I met you there?) Through spirited discussion, we did sort out positions on various possible directions, and there was clear disagreement on some fundamental levels... which is totally fine. I do respect the right of those who thought some of us were a real pain (for pushing for open source as a seal criterion for example) to gather their own group and do things the way they want for their own life purposes; we can continue to be friendly colleagues and collaborate along the way when we do occasionally converge.

Sorry it took me a while to answer you, but I had too much things to do !

I think lots of people want to work on an open app ecosystem, me included.

Great !

I'd like to work towards a system which would enable something like PLANET to be possible... https://open.coop/2017/01/10/planet-open-source-operating-system-collaborative-sustainable-economy/

If you want we can skype so I can show you a website called "communecter" which is a planet like with an open community so anyone can contribute to the project to make it better :D One of the inconvenient is that it's not completly translated (work in progress). So for now it's just in french.

The main issue with collaboration in this area is that it is THE BIGGEST project the open source / collaborative tech / commons transition Worlds have yet to tackle - and to date no collective has managed to break it down into (technologically compatible) bite-sized chunks, so people / groups tend to spin off and carry on working on their own, overlapping yet incompatible (from a tech perspective) projects which is a HUGE shame imho

Yeah, it's just huge ! We just need to create methods and tools to make this ecosystem works, and then train people to these methods and tools (which needs to be well designed and easy to understand).

I would be interested to support work on this wider, coordination project, in order to try and achieve some of the network effects we need to move to scale...

Actually, it would be nice to have a chat with you on skype or something. My ID is : ckiltolier. We could tell each other on what we are working now ;)

@olisb I'd also be interested in working with a group towards this very worthwhile goal if a group gets organized. If you have made headway towards that, great! I know everyone is involved with their own projects (including me), but maybe it's time to try again?

P.S. Is Planet a reality yet?

@lynnfoster and @gregorycassel
Thanks for taking the time to reply - from what I have learned, CTA v1 provided many valuable lessons - many of which are still being discussed ... especially in @bobhaugen 's excellent thread "Why did so little convergence result from this wonderful CTA conversation?" in the CTA group on Hylo (can't work out how to link there for the life of me!? but you can get there from https://www.hylo.com/c/collaborative-technology-alliance )
There's so much more to say on this subject, but I don't want to rush off suggesting things until I have more feedback from @edwardwest ...
Rest assured CTA v2 is not far away - and this time it will be more co-operative, more open and more effective than we can possibly imagine - well, that's the dream!
best
Oli

@olisb here's that thread: https://www.hylo.com/p/23634?utm_swu=3328

@lynnfoster to clarify: PLANET is not existing software, or even a project which is being developed. I designed it purely as a vision of what a "global, collaborative, open source, co-operative network that puts people and planet before profit..." might look like. I am not precious about it and do not want to force my vision onto anyone.

The purpose of PLANET is to illustrate one possible vision... I first designed it in 2004 >> https://open.coop/planet-the-open-co-ops-dream-communications-system/ and some of the aspects I included now exist :) but not within an open source network :(

To me it seems that all the elements of PLANET 2.0, which you see here >> https://open.coop/2017/01/10/planet-open-source-operating-system-collaborative-sustainable-economy/ exist already. All we need to do is agree on some technological choices, some systems architecture, and open source standards and plug it all together.

Lots of people seem to think this level of vision / ambition / size of project is not practical. I believe that it's 100% necessary to bring 'the network effect', we so clearly need, to our various distributed projects, in order to bring them to scale.