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Universal allowance/Basic income.

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A universal allowance is a benefit that is paid to all New Zealander's - retirees, low income earners, high income earners, invalids, unemployed, students, solo parents, and replaces existing benefits (unemployment benefit, DPB*, pension, sickness benefit, working for families, student allowance).

There are no requirements, all New Zealand citizens (18 and up*) are entitled to receive it.

The rate would be about the same as the existing unemployment benefit (around $200-250/wk pp).

When people work, the money they earn, is earned on top of the universal allowance. The tax rate is hiked to cover the benefit paid to everyone.

Gareth Morgan advocates such a system, with a flat tax afterward.

http://www.bigkahuna.org.nz/universal-basic-income.aspx

Addressing the immediate objections:

  • How do we afford this?

We increase income tax, which doesn't affect workers, because they're now getting an extra basic income. For example, if currently you are a worker earning $500/wk being taxed 20%, so your take home is $400.

In this system, a worker might earn $200 basic income, and $500 a week taxed at 60%, so their take home pay is the same.

Assuming that everybody who currently is working, still works, then theoretically it's possible to implement this system without any change to the basic tax burden/benefits of people. (That's a drastic simplification, but the idea is the same).

  • People will just stop working and live on the benefit, if they're not subject to having to look for a job.

No they won't. People are still better off working. Some people might. For example, they might use it as an opportunity to try a business venture, or become an artist, knowing that they won't starve if it fails. Other people, are already gaming the benefit/sickness benefit system.

Advantages of such a system:

  • Reduce the cost of administering social welfare. Because beneficiaries are no longer subject to eligibility criteria, the bureaucracy associated with administering WINZ is drastically reduced. The payment becomes an automatic thing through IRD.

  • Reduce the hypocrisy of social welfare. Social welfare currently is riddled with incentivising dishonesty. For example people finding sympathetic doctors to sign sickness certificates, or lying about having a partner as to maximise their benefit.

  • Allow workers freedom of movement. Workers can take a chance moving someone where to look for work, knowing that they won't starve.

  • Allow economic innovation. Entrepreneurs can try their hand at business, knowing they won't starve if it fails.

Pensions:

This would reduce pensions to current unemployment benefit levels. I think this is reasonable.

*DPB: This is a bug bear of this system. Personally, I'm in favour of removing the DPB. I think the DPB allows people to have children in irresponsible circumstances, by making being a parent being a full time paying job, that one can't be fired from.

The (hard) system I propose, individual adults are still entitled to basic income. Children are not entitled to an income, until they are 18. Perhaps working for families can still exist, to help lower wage earners. To look after a child, parents need to either have a job, or pay for it out of their basic income. This shifts the responsibility for having a child on the parent, and hopefully disuades them from having children if they can't afford it. If people are struggling looking after children on basic income, they can get support from their family and community and charity.

Ofcourse, DPB shouldn't be cut off straight away, it should be phased out.

I'm aware that this is quite hard position, so if you think the idea otherwise have merits, then let me know what you think on this point.

Other issues to discuss:

The tax burden. Gareth Morgan advocates a flat tax on top of the basic income, but I think that's a bit unfair on lower wage earners. I still advocate a progressive tax system. Unless you had another scheme like a subsidised house buying scheme to help lower wage earners.

JG

John G Thu 21 Aug 2014 7:27AM

I'd prefer to see a government jobs guarantee. Full time work for anyone who wants it at a low but living wage.

The problem with a UBI is that you will at some point increase income faster than you increase productive capacity to absorb it.

That's how you get into inflationary hot water.

PC

Phil Caton Fri 22 Aug 2014 1:14AM

@John G - I agree that those who want to work should be able to work - but what is the definition of work? Caring for an elderly relative or being a full-time parent does not equate to 'work' in the current government definition;
although that 'work' is probably more beneficial to society than the old solution of over-staffing state enterprises, like rail, post office and forestry, to provide the illusion of full employment.

With regards to the problem of UBI and inflation it may be better to stagger the introduction of UBI or, have a wage / price freeze during its first months / years of introduction to avoid the possibility of an inflationary effect which negates the whole concept of wealth re-distribution?

CD

Colin Davies Fri 22 Aug 2014 1:30AM

@philcaton
Under most UBI ideas, the person you are caring for would also be receiving the UBI. Thus they could possibly supplement your income from theirs.
Also obviously in genuine cases of hardship extra assistance would be given.
The UBI won't solve all problems but I think we can assume it will change us from being a core welfare based nation. (unsure what to)

PC

Phil Caton Fri 22 Aug 2014 6:18AM

UBI gets a mention by Laila Harre at about 9 minutes in on this TV3-hosted AMA
Laila Harre AMA

JG

John G Fri 22 Aug 2014 6:44AM

Phil Caton

Certainly allowances should be made for those situations. I'd be paying higher sickness benefits, pensions etc as well.

The problem with inflation wouldn't be at inception, it would be constant and cumulative.

You'd run down your productive capacity.

JG

John G Fri 22 Aug 2014 6:46AM

" the illusion of full employment."

Jobs are jobs. If everyone is employed it' s full employment. Not an illusion.

CE

Colin England Fri 22 Aug 2014 10:26PM

although that ‘work’ is probably more beneficial to society than the old solution of over-staffing state enterprises, like rail, post office and forestry, to provide the illusion of full employment.

Were they, as a matter of fact, over staffed? Considering the very manual labour involved in many government operations (MoW, Telecom, Power, etc) they actually needed a lot of people. IMO, We don't have fibre to the home today despite starting the roll out of it in the mid to late 1980s because Telecom no longer has the manpower to do it (Nor the will - why spend money on something when you can milk the copper that was rolled decades ago?).

MD

Marcus Davis Sat 23 Aug 2014 4:12AM

invaild welfarepayment (supportive living payment) is hard to live on as i live with a disability that make employer turn me down with work

MW

Marc Whinery Sun 24 Aug 2014 11:59AM

The bank profits are about $20,000 per household. If we just found some way to get the bank profits to stay in the country, it would fund the UBI. Bank gross revenues are enough to give every household $80,000 back per year.

Even if we didn't collect that $80k directly and redistribute it, just having that go to productive uses would boost the economy greatly and end up paying $20,000,000,000 a year in taxes on its use. That'd fund the UBI.

The secret to paying for everything is to abolish traditional banking.

CE

Colin England Sun 24 Aug 2014 7:06PM

The secret to paying for everything is to abolish traditional banking.

That's part of it. Another part is to get rid of foreign ownership (That's how you get profits to stay in the country).

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