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Thu 6 Dec 2018

Aragon Use Cases

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Josh Fairhead Public Seen by 167

The Aragon DAC is spinning up so I offered to get involved and was referred to Cris Abraham. He suggested working on a use case on how a traditional company moving to Aragon, advantages, benifits etc. I iterated once, touched base, adjusted and repeated to get things to this point: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZHQzybeAaEQ0Qk5exAiq-F9dTnMlgekDEwU2TnWFcJQ/edit?usp=sharing

Doing so showed up a load of cracks in the example case so the learnings are being refactored. I quite like the Uber example Chris is now suggesting but in parallel Michael's got a real life case study to tie in. For that we decided to start by listing the value propositions a DAO can offer and then see what that starts looks like. It will either be long and require a boil down, or it will be short but detailed around a particular set of tangible advantages. For that we agreed to try compiling stuff here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LwnF6APigYZml1AZxAsqhvAhfcCAWh_JYbX75IvkbJA/edit

For the Uber > Aragon use case Chris wanted, I've so far done nothing but anyone may work on it also and get involved in DAC stuff. I'm starting to tapping things up here for that: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10AWasPh2gMYrP3hfq15JhcReDqOaXYwat4mSPdWkMLY/edit?usp=sharing

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Marko Prljic Fri 7 Dec 2018

@joshfairhead1 We should speak! I just read this post and first section is something I wanted to do within the company I work at. I want to learn (by doing) more about DAO's and Aragon in particular. When's the best time to Zoom in?

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Josh Fairhead Fri 7 Dec 2018

Sweet! We can zoom/skype anytime you like - just ping me on your preferred medium :)

Since myself an @michaelshea are doing weekly catch ups, maybe we should all jump on the same call next Thursday?

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Josh Fairhead Fri 7 Dec 2018

Re: DAC they do brief sync meetings daily at 4pm (you can use this link to pull the giveth cals: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=givethdotio%40gmail.com&ctz=Europe%2FLondon)

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Michael Shea Fri 7 Dec 2018

Thursday

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Josh Fairhead Fri 7 Dec 2018

Truth, appears I cant read my own cal :p

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Marko Prljic Fri 7 Dec 2018

I'd love to do weekly catchups with you guys @joshafairhead @michaelshea
Thursday sounds fine, just need to know the time. I have a weekly company meeting at 6pm my time (CET) so anytime after that would be good.

Re: Giveth DAC sync meetings, how do I pull them all to my cal?

@michaelshea got your message, will reply soon ;)

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Josh Fairhead Fri 7 Dec 2018

Cal imports easy; in Gcal on the left of the screen under the mini cal, click the + button, select by URL, paste the link. You can then turn the cal on/off by selecting it in other calendars :)

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Josh Fairhead Fri 7 Dec 2018

Re: Our sync - cool! Looking forward to seeing you again :) Timing wise I think we might have some constraints. We currently do 3pm GMT Thurs but we might be able to shuffle about and stuff depending on who/when etc - I guess we could use a time poll within loomio to figure that out!?

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Marko Prljic Fri 7 Dec 2018

Thursday 3PM is perfect! Bi-weekly I might be couple of minutes late but otherwise totally fine with that. Can you add me to the event with my email so I have a recurring cal slot? Thanks Josh.

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Josh Fairhead Fri 7 Dec 2018

I just added you to next week so you should have an invite for cal now. We can all discuss further logistics there if need be :)

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Marko Prljic Fri 7 Dec 2018

Superb! I just noticed it's 4PM my time so we're all good :)

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Michael Shea Sat 8 Dec 2018

Very interesting.

I am fascinated by this concept, and would really like to see how it can really be useful and not an intellectual exercise.

I do find the concept where trust is enshrined purely in code and not in a combination of the group and code a little puzzling and quite possibly short sighted.

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Michael Shea Thu 20 Dec 2018

Ok, I have been struggling with where a DAO actually add true business value. I listen/read the different positions and points, and still come back to a situation where people are trying to remove people out of the decision making process because of lack of trust or poor organizational cultures.

This seems like a situation where the 'efficiencies' gained will be Pyrrhic and the organization will more than likely fail due to the original trust and cultural deficiencies. I am very interested in being educated or convinced that the value is different, but so far I can't see it.

That said, I think I have found a use case where a DAO/DAC would be useful, and value adding. This is in the case where you have swarms of edge computing devices that need to collaborate on a task or set of tasks. The composition of the swarm could be dynamic along with the bidding/assignment of tasks.

With the burgeoning of IoT devices (now more IoT devices than people on the earth) each of these devices has computing power, and for a great deal of the time these devices are just sitting idle. Connecting these to a mesh network and making their capacity (computing or storage) available could provide multiple orders of magnitude of computing capability available and even lower costs than AWS or Azure. How these swarms could/would be managed, is somewhere DAOs/DACs could add real value. I believe the interactions between devices is much simpler than that of humans.

I don't pretend to be an expert on DAOs/DACs so would like your thoughts around this.

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Josh Fairhead Thu 20 Dec 2018

Good thoughts Michael, I've been reevaluating also. I'm kinda at the thought that a DAO is the digital twin of a co-op (processes)... Like HolocracyOne kinda exhibits apart from it was conceived first then built. DAO is unconcieved and built as you fly.

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Marko Prljic Fri 21 Dec 2018

This is very interesting thinking Mike. DAO for robots (IOT). We were thinking only about people, organisations, communities and limited ourselves to take it beyond.