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Tue 27 Mar 2018

E-NABLE Web Central

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Jen Public Seen by 483

The SPC has been discussing how to move the e-NABLE web central effort forward, and the topic of providing some funding for further development came up. I'm proposing that some funds from the Google funding that e-NABLE received might help to enable further development by providing developer support. Among other things I'd particularly like to see more direct integration of the work we've been doing on follow up research. There has also been discussion of adding support for assistive devices that are not hands. We could split these kinds of things into multiple proposals or just generally support WebCentral.
What do folks think?

One othering that maybe belongs in a different post -- we really need more diversity of ideas for what to do with the money. I encourage others to post their ideas and requests for funding for whatever they are doing anyway!

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Richard Hodgdon Tue 27 Mar 2018

My preference would be to see them done as individual proposals so the group has some say in which improvements are prioritized over others.

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Luis Bermudez Tue 27 Mar 2018

I'm happy to help with web development support. I've developed web apps and mobile apps for nearly a decade.

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Jen started a proposal Fri 30 Mar 2018

E-NABLE Web Central Closed Fri 13 Apr 2018

I'm proposing that some funds from the Google funding that e-NABLE received might help to enable further development by providing developer support. Among other things I'd particularly like to see more direct integration of the work we've been doing on follow up research. There has also been discussion of adding support for assistive devices that are not hands. We could split these kinds of things into multiple proposals or just generally support WebCentral.

Agree - 16
Abstain - 1
Disagree - 0
Block - 0
17 people have voted (20%)
KB

Ken Bice
Agree
Fri 30 Mar 2018

LB

Luis Bermudez
Agree
Fri 30 Mar 2018

Who's going to be doing the web development? Usually this type of work is highly costly.

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Quinn Morley
Agree
Fri 30 Mar 2018

RV

Richard VanderMey
Agree
Fri 30 Mar 2018

ELD

Ellen Landau Druda
Agree
Fri 30 Mar 2018

CC

Cole Carter
Agree
Sat 31 Mar 2018

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Angela Tsuda
Agree
Sun 1 Apr 2018

RH

Richard Hodgdon
Agree
Sun 1 Apr 2018

I'd like to see goals split into individual proposals so the community can prioritize features and I look forward to the improvements!

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Ashley Turner
Agree
Sun 1 Apr 2018

TO

Thierry Oquidam
Agree
Sun 1 Apr 2018

JB

Jacquin Buchanan
Agree
Mon 2 Apr 2018

JS

Jack Sutcliffe
Agree
Wed 4 Apr 2018

RB

Reg Bowie
Agree
Wed 4 Apr 2018

Agree

SM

Skip Meetze
Agree
Sat 7 Apr 2018

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Patrick
Abstain
Sun 8 Apr 2018

I agree to the notion and process. I "abstain" only because I am unsure if this approves a "random fund allocation." I agree with every project(would love to help too), just want to make sure they can be afforded : ) I would say multiple proposals.

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Everton Lins
Agree
Wed 11 Apr 2018

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Jon Schull
Agree
Thu 12 Apr 2018

I'm agreement it but agree with Luis that the proposal is too vague for funding. I see this as agreement to go develop a concrete proposal.

JB

Jacquin Buchanan Mon 2 Apr 2018

I agree with this. I think WebsCentral is a key part to keeping the E-nable community moving forward. I do think it could be worth dividing up various features into groupings so the community could somehow vote on priority.

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Patrick Tue 3 Apr 2018

I agree: Can you first fiscally define "some funds" What are the top (3) areas (or if someone with development training has a better idea how to allocate/distribute) how much should be allocated to this area? How much is this request for?

LB

Luis Bermudez Tue 3 Apr 2018

I have development training. I'm happy to help. Just come up with a list of feature requests. Then we can prioritize them based on market need and development cost (and other factors). A survey of feature requests is a good start (that way we know market need/want)

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Patrick Sun 8 Apr 2018

define "some"

LB

Luis Bermudez Thu 12 Apr 2018

This proposal is highly vague. What do you propose doing with the web central?

LB

Luis Bermudez Fri 13 Apr 2018

Here's a high level idea. Make a mobile app version of the web central? Anyone like this idea? Anyone have other ideas?

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Jon Schull Sat 14 Apr 2018

What are the limitation of a www.enbalewebcentral.com on a smartphone?

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Luis Bermudez Sat 14 Apr 2018

I don't see any limitations. The user experience could be optimized, so it's not as time consuming typing everything in with your mobile keyboard. Anyone else see any limitations?

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Patrick Sun 15 Apr 2018

Just the "input interface" & photo resolution capability. More of a workflow limitation.

But if a "drop down" menu option is available it works. Like when you're buying a smartphone..."model", "size", "color", then "locate closest match by zip code"? Then it's more or less "Talk to text" and other than "photo resolution" limitations would be minimal, no?

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Luis Bermudez Sun 15 Apr 2018

Sounds like something to think about and work around. Seems do-able, and not a blocker or limitation.

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Patrick Sun 15 Apr 2018

What is step one? Or what would you break these proposals down into?

LB

Luis Bermudez Tue 17 Apr 2018

I realize that you want more specifics. But that would take some serious brainstorming. At this point, you'll just have to take my word for it. It's do-able. The details are malleable.

But maybe this will satiate your appetite. Proposal 1: make a UX design for the mobile app. Proposal 2: implement the UX design from Proposal 1. Call Proposal 1 a $1k-$2k project. And Proposal 2 a $4k-$8k project. These are wild estimates at highly reduced prices, but I'm sure some nice engineer is willing to work for that amount to help real people in need.

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Patrick Tue 17 Apr 2018

Not necessarily "specifics" unless we are budgeting or aiming for particular objectives. I would love to help put this proposal together as you seem to be experienced In the matter. Keep me informed, but what would you address first foundation-wise? A "UX design proposal" is item 1, curious if that is in terms of deployment as well.

LB

Luis Bermudez Tue 17 Apr 2018

The deliverable "UX Design" proposal would be a series of screenshots or mockups of what the mobile app screens would look like. Maybe a flow diagram too, if we want to get very official. That would be the first proposal alongside the deliverables. I would take an iterative approach, and re-evaluate next steps once we've gotten that far.

JS

Jeremy Simon started a proposal Tue 17 Apr 2018

Ongoing e-NABLE Web Central Development Closed Fri 27 Apr 2018

Outcome
by Jeremy Simon Tue 20 Nov 2018

From Jon Schull: Unanimous support and gratitude for Jeremy's proposal and for his work with Aleks. Now seeking coders.

Update, 8/24/2018, from Jeremy Simon: Found our first developer through UpWork (https://www.upwork.com/jobs/_~010ab5190232c34ab9). He's working on his first project now, to confirm his capabilities. So far, so good.

Update, 11/20/2018: Guillermo is doing a very nice job for us. He has completed quite a few bug fixes and some significant new features.

A summary of his time and the items he's worked on can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E98g6JZcZcxDjShDm8HG_L5xhXValXdURk_2D2CiV7k/edit?usp=sharing

Description of Proposed Project:

The 3D Universe team (Jeremy Simon and Aleks Jones) have been working on the development of e-NABLE Web Central for over a year. A lot of work has been completed, but there are many features that we still hope to deliver. We have always done this development work as volunteers without financial support, and we intend to continue doing so as far as our own contributions are concerned. However, moving forward, we are going to need the help of additional developers, and we are seeking funding assistance to help pay these additional developers for their work.

Expected results/impact:

We plan to build on the existing functionality of e-NABLE Web Central to offer additional features and capabilities, as outlined in our roadmap. The roadmap is organized into four phases. Phase 1 is complete, and Phase 2 is mostly complete. The funding we're seeking will relate primarily to the features outlined for Phase 3.

Estimate of work effort involved:

Phase 3 probably involves 8-12 months of work effort, depending on the resources involved. The funding we are seeking here will not necessarily be sufficient to complete all of this work, but it will be enough to provide significant additional functionality and to justify ongoing funding support.

Estimated timeline for completion:

8-12 months for the items listed in Phase 3 of the roadmap.

Names of individuals responsible for deliverables:

Jeremy Simon, Aleks Jones, and additional developers yet to be identified

Amount of funding being requested:

$10,000, paid in multiple installments as development objectives are completed

Agree - 16
Abstain - 0
Disagree - 0
Block - 0
16 people have voted (18%)
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ebubar
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

PB

Peter Binkley
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

EWC is a proven success. I've been using the service since its first release, and it really works. I'm connected with recipients and other makers, and it really helps us find people seeking devices and deliver successful devices to those people.

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Rich B
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

I think the EWC and Mobile app development should remain under your supervision as the creators.

RV

Richard VanderMey
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

JS

Jack Sutcliffe
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

LB

Luis Bermudez
Disagree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

That's a great roadmap, but a bit unrealistic for the requested funding. Can you revise your roadmap (or create a new roadmap) specifically for the $10k? What deliverables can you achieve with $10k? Can you identify a subset of Phase3 for funding?

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Ken Bice
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

EWC has already become the operational heart of the e-NABLE matching process. Jeremy and Aleks have done an admirable job yet need some technical help. I would definitely like to see this pushed forward.

WM

Wayne Munslow
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

Building on the great work you have done so far will be invaluable to the cause

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Jen Owen
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

This is what the community as well as recipients have been waiting for and it is exactly what I hoped would come to life years ago. Thank you Jeremy and Aleks for putting so much passion and time and love into this for the rest of us!

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Adam Brumma
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

MV

Marco Vaquera
Agree
Tue 17 Apr 2018

QM

Quinn Morley
Agree
Wed 18 Apr 2018

AJ

Asad Jabbar
Agree
Wed 18 Apr 2018

Also make special section where prosthetist can put reviews on devices

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Cole Carter
Agree
Wed 18 Apr 2018

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Ashley Turner
Agree
Wed 18 Apr 2018

It's truly amazing and inspiring that you all have volunteered so much. Sometimes you have to bring in extra "muscle" and the project is worth it. My only concern I don't know the overall budget, direction, and how this fits in.

LB

Luis Bermudez
Agree
Wed 18 Apr 2018

That's a great roadmap, but a bit unrealistic for the requested funding. Can you revise your roadmap (or create a new roadmap) specifically for the $10k? What deliverables can you achieve with $10k? Can you identify a subset of Phase3 for funding?

JB

Jacquin Buchanan
Agree
Wed 18 Apr 2018

This is a critical project. The suggested price is a testament to how much people are dedicated to donating their expertise.

LB

Luis Bermudez Tue 17 Apr 2018

Hope that mobile idea helps. Any other ideas? Do we love/hate the mobile app idea? Or do we want to go in another direction?

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Patrick Tue 17 Apr 2018

Also just saw this post, might answer some questions. https://www.loomio.org/p/O5cFmx3v/ongoing-e-nable-web-central-development

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Patrick Tue 17 Apr 2018

The only real thing I don't like about mobile is the "human behavior aspect." Its good for "hey hello" but for actually focus on accuracy you can't make it "too easy" if you know what I mean right? But it has worked for the rest of the world so maybe I am thinking too far into this realm.

JB

Jacquin Buchanan started a proposal Mon 7 May 2018

New Modular Arm Design Closed Thu 31 May 2018

Description of Proposed project

Create a design useful in developing countries for amputations below and above elbow.

Design a systems approach to upper limb prosthetics, that will better meet the need of arm amputations in the developing word. This will be a modular design that can be manufactured as parts. The final assembly and fitting can be done from a standard set of pre-made parts in a single visit with the recipient.

The design will focus on the largest population need, lower arm and mid upper arm recipients.

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I have been traveling to places that have a need and, once there, we do a clinic that measures, defines a type of appropriate device and takes personal data for future delivery. We go back at some later date with newly built devices and fit them as possible. Local volunteers work to advertise the clinics, help with locale and organization logistics as well as hands-on measuring, data acquisition, etc. Unfortunately, there are many points within this system that can, and do, fail. It functions but is very inefficient. Often, it doesn’t truly address the client’s desires as to appearance, function, etc. ~ Dean Rock

Expected results/impact

The result will be a new OpenSource design for the community.

Modular

The prosthetics will be delivered to the field as components. The components are sized and assembled with the recipient.

Probably four primary components:

  • Hand
  • Wrist and socket for transradial recipients
  • Wrist and lower arm for transhumeral recipients
  • Elbow and socket for transhumeral patients

Standard Sizes

Each of these four components will be standardized to three sizes: child, small adult (a.k.a. woman), and large adult (a. k.a. male). These three sizes will fit most. The socket is very adjustable in the field. These major components will simply screw together. What these three sizes are may vary from region to region. So, the design will be scalable to any size. Maybe some region will have four standard sizes.

Easy to Manufacture

The design will be printable on most hobby 3D printers with a minimal set of not printed parts. The design will also be manufacturable by larger runs using an injection moulding process. This allows batches of 1 to 10 to be done by 3D printers, and larger batches of 10 to 1,000 to be done by injection moulding (likely using an SLA printed mould). Assembly of each of the components is done as part of manufacturing. But attaching the 3 major components is done with the recipient.

Easy to Fit

The socket is mostly soft, and cuttable by normal scissors. Fitting involves cutting excess off the soft parts of the socket, and attaching the correct size components together.

Easy to Supply

Because the system is module and a few sizes fits most. There is no back and forth between the first meeting, manufacturing , then fitting. The location or clinic is kept supplied with a regular stock of ready made components. When a recipient if found the components are sized and fitted immediately.

Balance Natural Look and Function

Because of the other limitations of this design, natural look will take a higher priority than function. In many places of the world social stigma to limb differences is very high. So, a natural look is very important. This means the design will be manual with no electronic parts.

Completely Open Source Design

The resultant design will be completely Open Source. Anyone will be able to use/modify/improve the design.

Design Inspirations

There are several designs out there that are close to meeting this need. I will be drawing heavily from these existing successful design ideas.

Skip Meetze’s Gripper Hand and Dean Rock’s module arm

Gripeprhand
This will likely be the basis for my design. The hand is functional and can be made to look very natural. This thumb is passive requiring another hand to open. I think the final design will have a passive or elbow action to open option. The design is already OpenSource.

"Give Hope - Give a Hand" - The LN-4 Prosthetic Hand

LN-4
I generally like this socket design. It is simply a series of stiffeners wrapped with velcro. I think the socket can be improved to have a flexible interior wrap. This should allow it to look more natural and require only one strap at the top. I don’t thinking this design is OpenSource. But I will be using general ideas only.

LimbForge

Limbforge
This group has similar design goals. I do not think the design is not open source. I like the natural look. It is all 3D printed. On the downside, I think each one is custom fitted and made for each recipient.

Martin Bionics Socket-less Socket

SocketLess
This is a beautiful professionally made design. I do not think our arm will be this awesomely functional, but ours will be a lot cheaper and easily made and delivered around the world. It does show the inspiration of a very adjustable open socket with a natural looking arm and hand.

Create O&P, Create Prosthetics

CreateArm
Also, a wonderful professional design by Jeff Erenstone. I will take any input from Jeff he is willing to give.

Estimate of work effort

I think this will take me about 130 hours to get a first draft of the design. The Beta testing and feedback time is volunteer dependent so is more vague. I assume the same 130 hours again.

Estimated timeline for completion of the effort

I am assuming I can dedicate about 1/4 of my time on this project so It should take 3 or 4 months to the initial design. After that it will be released to a group of testers, and feedback incorporated into the design. That feedback and update loop can take 3 to 4 more months.

Names of individuals responsible

Jacquin Buchanan will be doing most of the design work. With test and evaluation done by others. I would hope to get feedback/input from Dean Rock, Ed Choi and others who have worked in this area before.

Amount of Funding

I will be seeking $12,500 for this project. I plan to use a GoFundMe campaign to raise the money. 10% of this would go to Enable Fund as the Fiscal Sponsor. Another 10% would go to fund raising channels. The remainder would go to Jacquin Buchanan to pay for time and materials.
I am seeking funding for this so I can get more done, faster. The Kwawu 2.0 took over a year in my spare time. I have three or four more design proposals I'd like to do after this one.

Background with e-NABLE

Jacquin Buchanan designed the Lionel arm with Jeff Erenstone, the Kwawu, and Kwawu 2.0 Arms for e-Nable.

Agree - 21
Abstain - 1
Disagree - 0
Block - 0
22 people have voted (22%)
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ebubar
Agree
Mon 7 May 2018

This is definitely a great project idea, and Jack's contributions of the Lionel, Kwawu and Kwawu 2 make me confident that he'll be successful.

RV

Richard VanderMey
Agree
Tue 8 May 2018

GC

Gilbert Cameron
Agree
Tue 8 May 2018

I am very impressed with the work done so far by Jacquin and totally agree that he is the one to do this much needed work.

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Patrick
Agree
Tue 8 May 2018

I love the idea and want to see it happen but would love clarification on budget. The open source byproduct makes me happy.

DR

Dean Rock
Agree
Tue 8 May 2018

Good discussion topic. I have a number of missing limb requests that need a finalized design before being implemented. I hope to get some good input here!

AT

Angela Tsuda
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

ESL

Enable Sierra Leone
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

SM

Skip Meetze
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

JE

Jeff Erenstone
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

I have some more background info for you and will provide it on the G+ community.. I like where this is going.

WM

Wayne Munslow
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

It seems to me that this is exactly what the community funds should be spent on.

JS

Jack Sutcliffe
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

MV

Marco Vaquera
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

This looks like a solid proposal.

MA

MOHAMMED ALROOMI
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

THE WORLD NEED THIS

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[deactivated account]
Agree
Wed 9 May 2018

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Rich B
Agree
Thu 10 May 2018

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Bodo
Agree
Fri 11 May 2018

EA

Enable Aden
Agree
Mon 14 May 2018

EA

Enable Aden
Agree
Mon 14 May 2018

I would like to help with the designs on my spare time.

EA

Enable Aden
Agree
Mon 14 May 2018

I would like to help with the designs on my spare time. - Abdulla Baobeid.

AJ

Asad Jabbar
Agree
Tue 15 May 2018

You need to have a prosthetist as an advisor in your team to build a good hand. Also make sure most amputees are of below elbow and above elbow so making a 3d printed socket would be good. Christian Silva has been working on these partner with him.

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Ashley Turner
Agree
Tue 15 May 2018

I love it. I would love to help. I am ME student with AutoCAD experience, printers, and a non-profit.

JS

Jon Schull
Agree
Tue 15 May 2018

I neglected to vote for this. I think it's a no-brainer. Jacq made a great contribution and a modular system that can help above-elbow amputees would be a huge boon! (Esp. an elbow joint that can easily be lock in position using the residual arm!)

LG

Leland Green
Agree
Thu 24 May 2018

PB

Peter Binkley
Agree
Fri 25 May 2018

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Patrick
Abstain
Thu 31 May 2018

Can any current models be improved at a cheaper rate? I see how this is beneficial, but does it serve a purpose different than designs that already do exist? Is this open for modification?