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October 19th, 2018 12:10

Next General Assembly soon (preferably december)

Christophe Cop
Christophe Cop Public Seen by 202

Dear Pirates, the next elections are coming, and we do need to prepare.
We hope to gather with pirates from all the provinces.
Please add things you wish to see on the agenda.

Christophe Cop

Christophe Cop October 19th, 2018 12:12

1) How to practically organize?
I prefer to organize on the level of the list: being provincial (federal and regional) and communal (Europe) level.
2) Our position towards other initiatives (Diem, Volt, Burgerlijst,... )

Jan Van Opstal

Jan Van Opstal October 21st, 2018 13:30

A item for the agenda?

Calling existing communal parties to request their voters to endorse the Pirate Party on the Direct Democracy item ...

Jan Van Opstal

Jan Van Opstal started a proposal November 11th, 2018 11:44

Is it not time to organize a GA? Closed 12:02pm - Sunday 18 Nov 2018

Who takes the lead to organize a GA? So many items to discuss... Upcoming elections, Relation to PPI, Finance etc.

Results
Block - 4
Disagree - 5
Abstain - 0
Agree - 4
13 people have voted (0%)
Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout
Block
November 11th, 2018 11:56

GA's are a waste of time, are not a solution to any issue we have, and are not the only way to discuss/work together.

bobrappe

bobrappe
Abstain
November 11th, 2018 12:05

Comme je suis une personne à mobilité réduite j'ai des difficultés à m'impliquer physiquement pour le moment dans l'organisation d'évènements.

bobrappe

bobrappe
Abstain
November 11th, 2018 12:19

Comme je suis une personne à mobilité réduite j'ai des difficultés à m'impliquer physiquement pour le moment dans l'organisation d'évènements.As I am a person with reduced mobility I have difficulties to involve myself physically for the moment in the organization of events.

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert November 11th, 2018 12:42

Are there issues that require a GA? The two current agendapoints aren't an issue anymore [1]. The point of calling out to communal parties to vote op PPBE isn't something you can do from a GA.

AFAIK GAs are mainly used for voting on decissions, but the past has shown that that's not the best way. I don't know of any decissions that need to be taken ATM that can't be taken in another way.

Another nice thing about a GA is that it can bring pirates together, but we already had something in Brussels a while ago and not many people showed up. Honestly, a piratelab can do the same thing.

[1] https://wiki.pirateparty.be/Pirate_Lab/Meeting/27_10_2018#Elections

MV

Michel Verdurmen
Abstain
November 11th, 2018 13:51

KDV

Koen De Voegt
Agree
November 11th, 2018 14:51

Valerie D.

Valerie D.
Abstain
November 11th, 2018 18:06

because I probably won't be able to join anyway (too much energy in kayoux now)

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse
Block
November 11th, 2018 22:14

This is not a proposition, it's an open question.

Jonas Besbrugge

Jonas Besbrugge
Abstain
November 12th, 2018 10:18

J

Josse November 12th, 2018 21:05

We need more friction, so we can vote on something. I suggest we give our money on Facebook advertising now, so we can get more people that bring more money. It is only by actively pursueing our ideals that we will constructively disagree.

Marc Buckens

Marc Buckens
Agree
November 13th, 2018 10:17

Christophe Cop

Christophe Cop
Agree
November 13th, 2018 10:36

I agree that we should have a GA, but from my conversation with some of the pirates during the pirate lab in Oktober in Gembloux, we kind of decided to organize the elections in a pragmatic way:
* For Belgian and Regional level: on a province basis.
* For European level: on a region basis.
The main reason being the preference of where putting energy and effort. A GA may be a bit cumbersome or waste of time if there are much things that need to be agreed upon.

Christophe Cop

Christophe Cop
Block
November 13th, 2018 10:37

I agree that we ought have a GA, but from my conversation with some of the pirates during the pirate lab in Oktober in Gembloux, we kind of decided to organize the elections in a pragmatic way:
* For Belgian and Regional level: on a province basis.
* For European level: on a region basis.
The main reason being the preference of where putting energy and effort. A GA may be a bit cumbersome or waste of time if there are much things that need to be agreed upon.
[edit: from agree to block]

Jelle Debusscher

Jelle Debusscher
Agree
November 13th, 2018 11:39

From a media and legal standpoint I think it's important to have the GA anyway.
* To be present in the news with our idea's, it's crucial to communicate them on multiple media and an event like this creates cohesion, renewed interest and ideas and exposure. The GA can adapt to the renewed pragmatism by streamlining the process and offer a day of exchanging methods and practices.
* We could adapt an application for voting by that time, not to loose time and to maximalize participation.

MB

Michel Braibant
Disagree
November 13th, 2018 12:33

Useless as everything has been clarified at the last lab.

MB

Michel Braibant
Block
November 13th, 2018 12:33

Useless as everything has been clarified at the last lab.

Jan Van Opstal

Jan Van Opstal November 13th, 2018 20:06

Is it not the case that we legally agreed to organize an annual GA? On the one hand to give an overview to all pirates of the state of affairs and initiatives for the future? Or have we entered a phase of dissolution?

HgO

HgO November 13th, 2018 20:14

There was a GA this year in May.

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout November 13th, 2018 20:14

There is no legal obligation for Pirate Party of Belgium to have an annual GA at all, because we're a feitelijke vereniging/association de fait (not to be confused with the vzw/asbl Mermaid).

For the overview to all pirates, we already use this Loomio group, the monthly Labs, Matrix chatroom, and the crews that want to collaborate do so by publishing their meeting reports.

Assia Kara

Assia Kara
Abstain
November 13th, 2018 20:46

Jan Van Opstal

Jan Van Opstal November 14th, 2018 07:01

303/5000
I am talking about GA 2019. This is important as support in the upcoming elections. Such an organization requires time in any case to prepare.

Jan Van Opstal

Jan Van Opstal
Agree
November 14th, 2018 07:03