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Next General Assembly soon (preferably december)

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Christophe Cop Public Seen by 251

Dear Pirates, the next elections are coming, and we do need to prepare.
We hope to gather with pirates from all the provinces.
Please add things you wish to see on the agenda.

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Christophe Cop Fri 19 Oct 2018

1) How to practically organize?
I prefer to organize on the level of the list: being provincial (federal and regional) and communal (Europe) level.
2) Our position towards other initiatives (Diem, Volt, Burgerlijst,... )

JVO

Jan Van Opstal Sun 21 Oct 2018

A item for the agenda?

Calling existing communal parties to request their voters to endorse the Pirate Party on the Direct Democracy item ...

JVO

Jan Van Opstal started a proposal Sun 11 Nov 2018

Is it not time to organize a GA? Closed Sun 18 Nov 2018

Who takes the lead to organize a GA? So many items to discuss... Upcoming elections, Relation to PPI, Finance etc.

Results
Agree - 4
Abstain - 5
Disagree - 0
Block - 4
13 people have voted (18%)
RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout
Block
Sun 11 Nov 2018

GA's are a waste of time, are not a solution to any issue we have, and are not the only way to discuss/work together.

B

bobrappe
Abstain
Sun 11 Nov 2018

Comme je suis une personne à mobilité réduite j'ai des difficultés à m'impliquer physiquement pour le moment dans l'organisation d'évènements.

B

bobrappe
Abstain
Sun 11 Nov 2018

Comme je suis une personne à mobilité réduite j'ai des difficultés à m'impliquer physiquement pour le moment dans l'organisation d'évènements.As I am a person with reduced mobility I have difficulties to involve myself physically for the moment in the organization of events.

IB

Ilja Baert Sun 11 Nov 2018

Are there issues that require a GA? The two current agendapoints aren't an issue anymore [1]. The point of calling out to communal parties to vote op PPBE isn't something you can do from a GA.

AFAIK GAs are mainly used for voting on decissions, but the past has shown that that's not the best way. I don't know of any decissions that need to be taken ATM that can't be taken in another way.

Another nice thing about a GA is that it can bring pirates together, but we already had something in Brussels a while ago and not many people showed up. Honestly, a piratelab can do the same thing.

[1] https://wiki.pirateparty.be/Pirate_Lab/Meeting/27_10_2018#Elections

MV

Michel Verdurmen
Abstain
Sun 11 Nov 2018

KDV

Koen De Voegt
Agree
Sun 11 Nov 2018

VD

Valerie D.
Abstain
Sun 11 Nov 2018

because I probably won't be able to join anyway (too much energy in kayoux now)

TF

Thierry Fenasse
Block
Sun 11 Nov 2018

This is not a proposition, it's an open question.

JB

Jonas Besbrugge
Abstain
Mon 12 Nov 2018

J

Josse Mon 12 Nov 2018

We need more friction, so we can vote on something. I suggest we give our money on Facebook advertising now, so we can get more people that bring more money. It is only by actively pursueing our ideals that we will constructively disagree.

MB

Marc Buckens
Agree
Tue 13 Nov 2018

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Christophe Cop
Agree
Tue 13 Nov 2018

I agree that we should have a GA, but from my conversation with some of the pirates during the pirate lab in Oktober in Gembloux, we kind of decided to organize the elections in a pragmatic way:
* For Belgian and Regional level: on a province basis.
* For European level: on a region basis.
The main reason being the preference of where putting energy and effort. A GA may be a bit cumbersome or waste of time if there are much things that need to be agreed upon.

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Christophe Cop
Block
Tue 13 Nov 2018

I agree that we ought have a GA, but from my conversation with some of the pirates during the pirate lab in Oktober in Gembloux, we kind of decided to organize the elections in a pragmatic way:
* For Belgian and Regional level: on a province basis.
* For European level: on a region basis.
The main reason being the preference of where putting energy and effort. A GA may be a bit cumbersome or waste of time if there are much things that need to be agreed upon.
[edit: from agree to block]

JD

Jelle Debusscher
Agree
Tue 13 Nov 2018

From a media and legal standpoint I think it's important to have the GA anyway.
* To be present in the news with our idea's, it's crucial to communicate them on multiple media and an event like this creates cohesion, renewed interest and ideas and exposure. The GA can adapt to the renewed pragmatism by streamlining the process and offer a day of exchanging methods and practices.
* We could adapt an application for voting by that time, not to loose time and to maximalize participation.

MB

Michel Braibant
Disagree
Tue 13 Nov 2018

Useless as everything has been clarified at the last lab.

MB

Michel Braibant
Block
Tue 13 Nov 2018

Useless as everything has been clarified at the last lab.

JVO

Jan Van Opstal Tue 13 Nov 2018

Is it not the case that we legally agreed to organize an annual GA? On the one hand to give an overview to all pirates of the state of affairs and initiatives for the future? Or have we entered a phase of dissolution?

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HgO Tue 13 Nov 2018

There was a GA this year in May.

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 13 Nov 2018

There is no legal obligation for Pirate Party of Belgium to have an annual GA at all, because we're a feitelijke vereniging/association de fait (not to be confused with the vzw/asbl Mermaid).

For the overview to all pirates, we already use this Loomio group, the monthly Labs, Matrix chatroom, and the crews that want to collaborate do so by publishing their meeting reports.

AK

Assia Kara
Abstain
Tue 13 Nov 2018

JVO

Jan Van Opstal Wed 14 Nov 2018

303/5000
I am talking about GA 2019. This is important as support in the upcoming elections. Such an organization requires time in any case to prepare.

JVO

Jan Van Opstal
Agree
Wed 14 Nov 2018