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Fri 18 Jul 2014 2:53AM

Concerns Re: Abuse & Child Safety

DU L4C0F Public Seen by 69

Hello Everyone.

I've had some serious issues getting assistance from @SeanTilley, Then @JoinDiaspora & Finally @JayWink Via Twitter.

Can someone here please respond to my and the communities growing concerns regarding this project?

Thank you in advance.

Information Re: Ongoing Issues Reported To Law Enforcement After Use Of Diaspora via Diasp.EU

https://twitter.com/L4C0F/status/489877740791664640

*If you'd prefer to discuss on Twitter, I've tweeted the link to this public discussion regarding all of our concerns.

https://twitter.com/L4C0F/status/489966361246826497

Thank You, I appreciate your time here. :-)

L4C0F

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 10:26AM

This is the place to speak with programmers about code for Diaspora isn't it?

I began in 83, i know a thing or two.. definitely not everything. Yes, Parental supervision... Unfortunate, you actually missed the answer i already gave here.. You didn't even read the comments above.

Given your issue with me or perception of what issues exist i care about it's equally obvious if you did read the report you still don't quite understand that.

I'm really not sure how else i can explain security, law and diaspora to you here. I thought this was the place to talk about that stuff. So far i hear opinion and not a single suggestion about code?

I give up & retract my wanting to return. If you can claim to have read things, missed comments above, There is absofrigginlutely no point in me wasting my intelligence on discourse here going nowhere.

Best of luck to you all. Godspeed & Duck & Cover.

DU

Deleted account Fri 18 Jul 2014 10:42AM

What stuff ?! What do you eventually want ?!
You come here, start a thread saying : "Can someone here please respond to my and the communities growing concerns regarding this project?" an post two tweets... This is not a clear proposition.

Question is simple : what do you want ?

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 11:01AM

OK... Thank You for giving me a clear motive to speak.

As Follows - Needed To Help Legal Issues FIrst:

a.) Allow the US to figure out where JoinDiaspora, Eben Moglen & FSSN stands with nonprofit $ and USC2257 violations. That's for court, not our discussion.

b.) Revise clear TOS for Diaspora making clear that every pod needs to respect what a minor is in whatever country they've come from & give them limited access, ie. No NSFW content.

c.) Use this minor user list to also help alleviate time management constraints for podmins, it's really a win win as they'd know abuse happened earlier from a minor's account.

d.) STOP MAKING PODMINS CENSORS: You have an easy much better alternative you could implement which would have allowed people like me to officially use pages on Diaspora.

This is done by code which instead of ignoring a user, blocks a user to respond on a users public page. I even suggested allowing blocked people to be able to reshare from blocked accounts & comments on those. Just not on the public main page of an artist like myself sending kids and charities there.

You use a 'report' system and make podmins censor folks. Why? That's not free speech. That's not cool.

Don't make podmins censors because a simple fix to prevent someone's main page from being abused isn't implemented yet. That's where i'm coming from.. Protect endusers and also further promote actual free speech.

Another concern take it or leave it, encrypt all info on pods. Podmins should not be able to see content unless clear abuse is noted. That improves security.

EXIF data must be stripped from all uploads, you jeopardize those who post things with GPS coordinates thinking they are safe there. I proved they are not.

You don't want to know how much info i got on a few of you using completely legal web services in moments. GPS EXIF data largely made that possible FYI.

I hope this infosec lesson helps.

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 11:04AM

*if i had ever wanted to destroy diaspora, trust me, you'd not be having this discussion. I deleted a ton of info you really don't want out there. Info i got perfectly legal while there.

I love Diaspora, what it stands for. That's the entire reason i've fought you all each day to change it for the better lol. That's the god's honesty friggin' stone cold truth people.

I love freedom, free speech. Hell, my art is classifiable as a national security concern. I think i'm a bit like you all here in many ways.

Also i think it's really important i repeat something i had on twitter.

I'd happily try again to use Diaspora as an artist should kids have minor accounts, NSFW blocked for them, abuse can be prevented in comment form on an end users public page regardless of reshares and that discussion i've already stated i'd be fine with people trolling my posts.. just NOT on my public page. Dig it?

I sent a charity to Diaspora, or tried to. Thank god they didn't go given these measures are not in place yet. I want them to see someday it is safe & can be a good place for everyone.

That is my ultimate hope, regardless of how difficult it's become to get there most recently.

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 11:23AM

I'll visit here tomorrow. Consider the info, we can all talk further. Let's make Diaspora awesome, not scary for kids and full of podmin censorship vs simple abuse mechanisms code can fix. ;-)

DU

Deleted account Fri 18 Jul 2014 11:44AM

Ok, so I can only suggest you to submit every single proposition to a vote. There, it will be constructive.
But do not forget that D* is community developped. If your propositions aren't accepted, you will only have to stop harassing poeple. This is what we call Democracy, something you pretend to be proud to defend in the USA, so respect it.

Anyway, I can give you my opinion on these propositions :
1 - Impossible : that law concern " Whoever produces any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digital image, digitally- or computer-manipulated image of an actual human being, picture, or other matter" ; pretty clear : D* community do not produce any content instead of code. Not the foundation's concern.

2 - Again : D* is a software not a service, it doesn't have TOS. Up to the pod admin, not the community's or foundation concern.

3 - D* is designed to respect private life, meaning that the software doesn't ask, by default, age submission. I don't know if it can be done, but only if this feature is complitely optionnal, so up to the pod admin. Again : we are not parents of the children visiting D* pods, not up to us to force user to give information. I'm strongly opposed.

4 - I think you didn't understand what is a free software : we provide functionnalities, up to the user to use them or not. Again, D* is not designed to force anyone to do anything. Strongly opposed. Free speach doesn't mean you must force anyone to listen to you. It only means that the Government cannot prevent to speak. If you're not happy with a podmin's policy, go elsewhere. That's not Facebook, we do not lock you.

5 - About encryption, I can't adjudicate on that.

6 - Remove images metadata seems to be good idea. Sounds good to me.

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 11:46AM

Oh... Final comment for tonight for reals i am tired as hell now. I tried to show people a year ago there Steganography and how it can alleviate privacy concerns. I tried again, noted in my report. No one got it.

If anyone associated with this project does understand the tools, and feels they can teach others i would like to see that happen. Now, i'm probably pissing the NSA off by suggesting this given it's classified as a threat, but, i feel it's another valuable tool we all have regardless of border, view, etc.

Perhaps someone could hold a 'how to make sure EXIF data is removed & why + how to for them on ALL Sites for education & teach basic encryption techniques such as stenography. This way people can post encrypted pics that only others know how to decode. It's kinda' the solution all you Snowden fans are seeking. I personally want to fight that man MMA style lol.

See: https://twitter.com/L4C0F/status/490084028192522240

Also The tools i use, methods i've formed & degree of encryption i am unable to share with valid national security concerns. So i can not be that teacher, please understand why.

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 11:51AM

The government can prevent you to speak on Diaspora lol, quite easily. In fact it's almost sad how easily.

I could easily teach them to aggregate every social media site you've ever used in realtime despite every nym you've used lol. I did it half asleep with great success out of curiosity of whom was abusing me.

It's literally that easy, you, your friends, loved ones.. anyone can figure it out. I did, i never reported on or saved any private info. My report was on public things i saw / experienced on my page directly and in community stream.

Again, take my advice or leave it. Just know, you're far less secure, anonymous or free than you believe. I can prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Others now understand this and your security diminishes exponentially by the day until / unless you fix it.

InfoSec 101

DU

Deleted account Fri 18 Jul 2014 12:03PM

Man, stop considering us as dumbs... We don't care what your government can or cannot. Definitly not the topic...

Just propose things or leave... This place is not for politics...

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 12:07PM

I don't consider you dumb, If i did i wouldn't waste my time here with 32 years of computing experience lol.

It's not about politics, you still fail to see your weaknesses, you don't patch them, your pods are not secure, your users are misinformed & kids don't get warned.

You can support a crappy half ass failing wanna' be alternative to whatever you think everyone else is and i support that. I just happend to care enough about the concept behind Diaspora to try to help you improve security, safety & alleviate parents concerns.

If you are afraid to try, can't read a report, see your flaws & grow that's entirely your deal. My life won't be affected either way. I'm going back to Google lol since nym wars ceased.

Keep your current course, lose my help and those programmers who otherwise would support you all if you handled yourselves differently on these issues. You have no idea how many people are by the minute seeing all this... It's sad instead you take this opportunity to not read, resist positive change and even consider opening it for community discussion. That's a definite fail.

Try to vote, instead of being the only 2, 3 voices here. it's called 'community'. You should know that.

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