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Fri 18 Jul 2014 2:53AM

Concerns Re: Abuse & Child Safety

DU L4C0F Public Seen by 69

Hello Everyone.

I've had some serious issues getting assistance from @SeanTilley, Then @JoinDiaspora & Finally @JayWink Via Twitter.

Can someone here please respond to my and the communities growing concerns regarding this project?

Thank you in advance.

Information Re: Ongoing Issues Reported To Law Enforcement After Use Of Diaspora via Diasp.EU

https://twitter.com/L4C0F/status/489877740791664640

*If you'd prefer to discuss on Twitter, I've tweeted the link to this public discussion regarding all of our concerns.

https://twitter.com/L4C0F/status/489966361246826497

Thank You, I appreciate your time here. :-)

L4C0F

BB

Brent Bartlett Fri 18 Jul 2014 6:14AM

@l4c0f I read your document concerning your experience with Diaspora. If I'm not mistaken, your concerns could actually be two feature requests:

1) Ability to block users from commenting on your posts,
and
2) Automatic scrubbing of EXIF data from uploaded images.

Both of these seem like great features to me. #2 is a huge security risk, not just for activists, but for all kinds of people. Imgur, a popular image-sharing site, actually has this feature for all of its users, and they don't even advertise it! How cool is that?

As for #1, my personal philosophy is that self-moderating communities are best. I think that admins should only have to step in and wield the banhammer in very extreme situations. Allowing users control over who comments on their posts does two things: it makes admins' jobs easier and empowers users. On the other hand, allowing blocked users to continue commenting opens the door for harassment.

Sorry if I missed anything, but that seemed to be the meat of your complaints. I feel like we should be discussing that. It seems like your approach to this has been very confrontational and threatening, and that may have turned off a lot of people to your ideas. You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar, etc.

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 6:24AM

I'm absolutely supportive of your 'opinion' on this matter, however it's not something i'm debating so much as stating. It's actually very clear by US Law.

"managing the sexually explicit content of a computer site or service" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18_U.S.C._2257

Is still, willingly, knowingly being broken under Non-profit status for the Diaspora Foundation, Diaspora Inc. & JoinDiaspora which puts the entire project in harm.

That's why i am trying to help you people, have been and continue to. I'd personally like this resolved vs endless debate over clear felony child abuse.

Pretty Simple! :-)

BB

Brent Bartlett Fri 18 Jul 2014 6:52AM

Huh. It seems like you've abandoned your previous concerns. That's too bad. Even worse, it seems like you didn't even read my post. How do I even know you're reading this??? I don't. Maybe I'm talking to myself.

In any case, I think that fighting porn is worse than an uphill battle. Compare Diaspora* with, for example, 4chan and Reddit. Those two sites have all kinds of porn, gore, shock site stuff, etc. The way it's handled on Reddit is that the sub-reddits in question have a "You must be 18 to view" message in the sidebar. 4chan has a disclaimer and you have to click an OK button. That's it.

So, perhaps D* should have a disclaimer when you sign up. (Maybe we do? I don't remember.)

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 6:55AM

I apologize for not being able to sit down & read the entire info to you personally. It's all right there, Again... I support your 'opinion' that should be painfully clear if you actually read my report.

Re: Disclaimer, No you don't. That's the problem man, damn. Read something please... please before responding further. This is actually important.

Especially to anyone who actually cares about Diaspora surviving the lawsuits awaiting.

BB

Brent Bartlett Fri 18 Jul 2014 7:08AM

Well, going by that logic, Reddit and 4chan should've been sued into oblivion long ago, and they haven't. And they aren't even decentralized.

JR

Jason Robinson Fri 18 Jul 2014 7:20AM

Sigh. Oh boy we have tried to talk to this person. Sean, me, others.

Better just try to ignore him and hope he gets tired in the end. I've reported him to Twitter, he is publicly calling me with my full name and Twitter handle as a child abuser.

If someone wants to delete him from here, I won't oppose.

JR

Jason Robinson Fri 18 Jul 2014 7:31AM

Oh yeah and regarding the actual subject (which he refuses to discuss) - while it is up to podmins to implement their own rules, we should offer some ready made guidelines for podmins to adopt. This can include TOS, privacy statements, posting guidelines - even age limits. I've drafted some here that could be used.

What we need to emphasize on the project page itself is that 1) diaspora* is not a centralized social network that the project controls and 2) individual pods make their individual rules.

It's problematic and many users will fail to understand these. But this dude isn't even trying.

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 7:38AM

I think a well meaning transgender person made a suggestion about that on twitter recently. Even outlined the exact issue, including the fact Diaspora isn't a social network, it's software & how podmins are bound by laws in their own countries when running the software as a server themselves lol.

I guess you guys didn't read that, I guess you dude's weren't even trying ROFL ;-)

It is nice to see JR finally see the importance of self governance & abiding by individual countries laws now whereas posting / access to NSFW material is concerned, especially on AWS servers which create a whole new clusterf*ck of an issue for this otherwise cool as hell project.

I sincerely hope at some point you can take the time, read all the info, learn & see what the issues were and how hard i personally tried to help you all.

It wasn’t until i was shown deaf ears, censorship and abuse that i took a different approach & demanded people look into this & make it safer for all those who love opensource, especially kids.

It’s pretty simple guys, I hope someday you can truly appreciate what i’m about here.

Forgive me but i'm busy here & from here on out i'm only at Twitter. I appreciate you all looking into however we can all mutually fix this ongoing mess in all forms. That's my hope.

BTW. Mr. Robinson, I didn't report your abuse towards teenagers including those recording artists i mixed. I allowed you to speak freely, you abused it, then deleted all your abusive tweets.

It's quite interesting how you describe 'me' here & my worth contributing as a Loomio member. I question that before everyone in this group.

DU

L4C0F Fri 18 Jul 2014 8:12AM

I won't log in here again until @loomio tells me publicly i'm allowed to speak.

https://twitter.com/L4C0F/status/490044463645876225

https://twitter.com/L4C0F/status/489322479781814273

JR

Jason Robinson Fri 18 Jul 2014 8:37AM

Great :)

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