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OPEN 2020 Fringe - Propose a session

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Want to run a session at OPEN 2020 online? Here's what you need to know...

DJ

Diogo Jorge Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:50PM

thanks, sorry about about asking in the wrong proposal...

DJ

Poll Created Thu 28 May 2020 10:36PM

Distributed Autonomous Agroforests Closed Sun 31 May 2020 10:01PM

Outcome
by Diogo Jorge Fri 5 Jun 2020 2:10AM

Dear participants. I just finished the presentation and I really hope to meet you all in this session. I am going to schedulle it for sunday june 7th at 3 pm CST. I have posted the presentation on youtube, divided in 2 parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TagESMrvy9c&feature=youtu.be

I count on you to watch the video before the session so we use it most for discussion, Q&A and planning next steps. Seeya!

Zoom address: Topic: Diogo Jorge's Zoom Meeting

Time: Jun 7, 2020 05:00 PM Sao Paulo

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https://us04web.zoom.us/j/76849322336?pwd=VWk1emNhUHFCb05uWk1OVTFCc2x2UT09

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The session will start with a 15 min presentation about the concept created after 6 months interaction of the hub Joint Agroforest Ventures. A way to kickstart basic cooperation initially with training and education, using small peri urban lots collectively managed with agroforestry under a lease contract. From that baseline we will present a model of platform divided in 6 sectors namely:

- White sector: IT

- Yellow sector: Finances/Common administration

- Blue sector: Law/Arbitration

- Red sector: Marketing/Communication

- Green sector: Agroforestry development

- Orange sector: Culture/Tourism/education

The model will provide our view on how the different stakeholders can collaborate on supporting autonomous learning sites and have their collaboration fairly rewarded using blockchain technology. The second half of the session will be devoted to answering questions of the attendants and to propose next steps.

Explaining for five year olds:

- Hey kids, how are you all tonight? How about we try to imagine a place, not necessarily urban because of the high prices, but periurban, because nowadays many have cars. Imagine it full of trees and swings, fruits, picnics, friends, celebration and teamwork? Lets imagine we want to create all of that, how would be the first step. How could we do that? How about we find people with land to offer, and connect them to people wanting to regenerating it? Well, It has a lot of sectors, is a bit complicated to organize, but it all started with one small step. This small step is the educational model agenda. Education in agroforestry.

Education to secure food and seeds and to train agroforest enterpreneurs away from academia. Making a collective action research, securing food, seeds and knowledge. With this principle taken care of new stages of organization and creativity will emerge, new ventures, new contracts, new tools, etc. Now imagine hundreds of these places sharing designs, machinery, infrastructure, logistics, production, celebrations...

Here in Brazil feels like it is happening, many collectives, many middle class people from different backgrounds wanting to learn. There are so many great governance tools today that allow us to do it. Im not used with all of them, but I do this "governance of the lot" with the groups I facilitate, and thats why I know it is doable. Hope it is a little clearer now, it was first commented on this thread: https://www.loomio.org/d/LJvFktsl/comment/2260643?utm_campaign=discussion_mailer&utm_medium=email&utm_source=comment_replied_to I will leave with a 12 min documentary that pictures a little of the agroforest movement that is going on here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPNRu4ZPvE&t=328s

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 93.3% 14 BH DDB GJ MSC BS VG J JW R MF BM A DF JD
Abstain 6.7% 1 EF
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 167 DS EM AG JD WO AD PA JN JE JA JL UB C G CCC ML WH PB JG LM

15 of 182 people have participated (8%)

VG

Vincenzo Giorgino
Agree
Fri 29 May 2020 7:37AM

It's a great project indeed!

BM

Bill Morrisett
Agree
Fri 29 May 2020 12:45PM

Maybe change the title to "Distributed Autonomous Urban Agroforests" to emphasize where this solution applies.

A

Aleeza
Agree
Fri 29 May 2020 4:31PM

I'm honestly not sure I understand what this is. Can you try to add an "explain-like-I'm-five" for outsiders? I'm voting yes regardless, because I'm intrigued by the phrase "autonomous learning sites"!!!

BS

Billy Smith
Agree
Sat 30 May 2020 7:18AM

Further comment below...

J

Poll Created Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:30PM

I think we have a problem! Closed Fri 5 Jun 2020 2:02PM

Outcome
by JDN Wed 10 Jun 2020 8:06AM

I seems that proposal was far from being clearly stated. My bad. Sorry for that. :)

Maybe just an answer to the question posted.

If you take any of the words from set 2 you end up dead, sooner or later. From natural causes. Nothing you can do.

Any word in Set 1 is just a figment of our imagination. They do not exist. They are there only because we "believe" that to be "true". We take them for granted.

Yet for each and every word/concept in this set1 there are thousands or even millions of people dead. We are killing each other because of a dreamed up concepts. Concepts that we take for granted and do not think about them at all.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a problem. And it is not the kind that “Huston” can solve. “Huston” is a big part of a problem.

We have a problem, for almost everybody on this planet believes in some general, almost sacred truths that run this “civilisation”. The things that we take for granted, not thinking about them at all.

Yet, it might be that precisely such things - mind-frames we depend on, things we just assume - could and do hinder paths to a solution. What if there is another perspective? Another interpretation of “some facts of life” that we all take for granted, that rule our lives so much, that we can not fathom anything beyond? What if these granted things, these truths carved in civilisation’s stone are just a kind of religion, based on irrational belief?

What about - lifting this veil of some of the “things we take for granted” just to rattle the things up a little? We might find something useful. I am not going to talk about general things. Will talk about things, we all think about when searching for answers, like "new economy", values, purpose.... I do not pretend that I have all the answers. But maybe there are some “more proper” questions to be asked? You know, like: “Right question is already a half of an answer.”

It is all about hidden assumptions we have. When thinking about the problems, solving them, we are not aware of those hidden assumptions. And some of them are quite erroneous.

Here's little bit of a teaser.

We have two sets of words. We all - more or less in a same way - understand the words and contexts they represent when thinking about them. Here they are:

Set 1:

socialism, communism, economy, money, price, state, banks, corporations, cooperatives, law, constitution, state borders…

Set 2:

sustenance, food web, ecosystem, observing, being mindful, copying, teaching, scientific method…

The question is: "What is the major difference between contexts these two sets represent?"

Interested?

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 66.7% 2 SG MF
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 33.3% 1 LS
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 180 DS EM AG JD BH WO DDB AD PA JN GJ JE JA JL UB C G MSC CCC ML

3 of 183 people have participated (1%)

LS

Leo Sammallahti
Disagree
Tue 2 Jun 2020 3:31PM

I have difficulty understanding what this session would be about. The terminology we use in solving problems?

SG

Simon Grant
Abstain
Thu 4 Jun 2020 1:34PM

I'd like to talk this over with JDN first before making up my mind on this one.

SG

Simon Grant
Agree
Fri 5 Jun 2020 12:51PM

I'd like to talk this over with JDN first before making up my mind on this one.

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