April 9th, 2018 13:44


Renaud Van Eeckhout
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Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout April 9th, 2018 13:45

Censorship Machinesare coming... if we don't react!

In very short, it is a proposal of the European Commission that says : Internet platforms hosting “large amounts” of user-uploaded content must monitor user behavior and filter their contributions to identify and prevent copyright infringement

As Julia Reda, our Pirate in the European Parliament, says in her latest blog post : it is still time to block that terrible proposal. So I suggest we do as she invites everyone to do : we put pressure on our MEP, and we spread the word.

As a first step, even though I think it's a formality, I believe PPBe should take a position against this proposal.


En bref, c'est une proposition de la Commission européenne qui dit : : les plates-formes Internet hébergeant de "grandes quantités" de contenus uploadés par les utilisateurs doivent surveiller le comportement des utilisateurs et filtrer leurs contributions pour identifier et prévenir la violation du droit d'auteur.

Comme Julia Reda, notre pirate au Parlement européen, le dit dans son dernier billet de blog : il est encore temps de bloquer cette horrible proposition. Je suggère donc que nous fassions comme elle invite tout le monde à le faire : faisons pression sur nos députés européens et faisons passer le mot.

Dans un premier temps, même si je pense que c'est une formalité, PPBe devrait prendre position contre cette proposition.


Kortom, het is een voorstel van de Europese Commissie dat zegt: internetplatforms waar "grote hoeveelheden" door de gebruiker geüploade inhoud worden gehost, moeten toezicht houden op het gedrag van de gebruiker en hun bijdragen filteren om inbreuken op het auteursrecht te identificeren en te voorkomen.

Zoals Julia Reda, ons Piraat in het Europees Parlement, zegt in haar laatste blogpost: het is nog steeds tijd om dat vreselijke voorstel te blokkeren. Daarom stel ik voor dat we doen wat ze iedereen uitnodigt: we oefenen druk uit op ons Parlementsleden en verspreiden het woord.

Om te beginnen ben ik van mening dat PPBe, ook al vind ik het een formaliteit, een standpunt moet innemen tegen dit voorstel.

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout started a proposal April 9th, 2018 13:47

PPBe must reject "Censorship machines" proposal from the European Commission Closed 3:02pm - Tuesday 10 Apr 2018

Agree - 9
Abstain - 0
Disagree - 0
Block - 0
9 people have voted (15%)
Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout
April 9th, 2018 13:47

The parts I do understand are terrible. For the parts I don't understand, I trust Julia Reda's opinion.


April 9th, 2018 13:59

Patrick Installé

Patrick Installé
April 9th, 2018 14:13


April 9th, 2018 14:57

jan janssens

jan janssens
April 9th, 2018 14:59

Valerie D.

Valerie D.
April 9th, 2018 16:09

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert
April 9th, 2018 16:42

Any specific things we'll do? FSF has an open letter we can sign as an organisation (maybe a start)

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout April 9th, 2018 17:57

@iljabaert : indeed, we could sign that open letter as an organization, but last time we tried signing an open letter by FSFE, they rejected our application :D We can relay it anyway, at least.

The most basic thing we could do : announce that we, as an organization, reject the CensorshipMachines. This can already reinforce the message instead of just sharing someone else's article. And that's why I thought necessary to take this quick vote here.

Other ideas are of course welcome!


April 10th, 2018 10:27

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout April 11th, 2018 11:13

The easy part is done : the decision is taken. PPBe rejects the #CensorshipMachine / #CensorshipMachines (both hashtags seem to be used, unfortunately)

There are 2 articles on Julia Reda's blog, that could be translated in Dutch (they are already in English, and have been or are being translated in French) :
- Censorship machines are coming: It’s time for the free software community to discover its political clout
- Feu vert pour le filtrage des téléchargements : Le rapporteur aux droits d’auteur et droits voisins du Parlement européen n’a rien appris après plus d’un an de débat.

Maybe dutch-speakers could ask the help of PPNL to translate it?

@tierce : tu sais qui s'occupe de quoi pour cette traduction ? Elle est finie depuis hier au moins mais personne n'en fait rien, on dirait :confused:


koen_v April 12th, 2018 06:58

I'd be glad to translate, but I have a very busy schedule these days, so I think I will let it to someone else this time, sorry

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse April 13th, 2018 08:55

No wories! :slight_smile: I just asked to the Pirates from holland via our Mastodon here .. wait and see :fingers_crossed:

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout February 22nd, 2019 18:44

I put it here otherwise I'll forget, but it would be great if someone could follow up this : https://www.savetheinternet.info/demos

It's about the demonstrations that will be organized on 23/03 in Europe, I see there is one planned in Brussels! But I don't know who's behind etc. So if someone wants to get involved and share the info with us, it would be helpful :)


Michel Braibant February 22nd, 2019 19:37

STOP-ACTA and Anonymous...

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout February 27th, 2019 11:26

STOP-ACTA and Anonymous that's nice, it worked in 2012 with ACTA :)

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert February 27th, 2019 17:48

I made https://wiki.pirateparty.be/Copyright/Event/23_03_2019/1
23/03 is a Saturday, so that's good. But it's at 17h... ouch for me if I want to get back home :/


HgO February 27th, 2019 21:20

We have the Pirate Lab that day :/


Josse February 27th, 2019 21:39

Hm, Piratelab is not the 30th?


HgO February 27th, 2019 21:48

Ah yeah you're right ! I still had in mind the last one, and since February and March have the "same" days… :sweat_smile:
But that's great, I should be able to be there then ! :)

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout March 1st, 2019 00:35

Received by mail :

Dear european pirates,

as many of you might already have noticed we are currently preparing protests all over Europe to stop article 11 and 13 of the copyrightreform.

To do that we are working with many other partners but mainly with the activists from savetheinternet.info. To connect you national protests with the main campaign we would like you to join them on their discord where they offer a separate channel for each of the national protests. The activists are in very good contacts with a lot of big youtubers and other influencers and might be able to provide you with contacts. Also they have prepared materials some already in several languages using those might save you some work since it’s a lot to be done until the 23.03.

For your national Pirate Party to show up under the official call for action you need to send an email with your organisation name and logo (one that is visible on dark background) to supporterorga@savetheinternet.info.

For your Protests to Show up on the Map they need a facebook event with starting place and time.

If any pirates have any problems connecting or working with the activists from sti let me know I will try to troubleshoot then. The Power out of the Internet is finally arriveing and we pirates in the first lines. Lets use this opportunity right before the European elections which are so important for us!

[1] Demo Page https://savetheinternet.info/demos

[2] STI Discord https://discord.gg/kE3rXdY

[3] Mail contact Logos supporterorga@savetheinternet.info


Daniel Mönch


Michel Braibant March 1st, 2019 05:37

He expects problems working with their activists? (I am OK with what I read on their website in English)
The website is in different languages and there are some differences...

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout March 1st, 2019 15:58

No no, I think he just says we should contact him if there are problems, but he doesn't seem to expect problems.

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout March 6th, 2019 16:05

Is there any member of PPBe on the Discord channel for the SaveTheInternet actions? Will there be a protest in brussels or not? It's not referenced on this page (but I think it was earlier, wasn't it?). Can we add ourselves as organizers? Is there anyone who cares about copyright AND who has some time to invest in answering these questions?

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout March 6th, 2019 16:21

Also, feel free to spread wherever you can the link to this website Pledge2019.eu
- in french : https://pledge2019.eu/fr
- in flemish : https://pledge2019.eu/nl

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert March 6th, 2019 18:52

There was an event in Brussels on that page, but I don't see it any more either. I did make an external event on our wiki. The original event still has an FB page https://www.facebook.com/events/248501622762624/
So I guess the event in Brussels is still on

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert March 6th, 2019 19:07

I joined the room and now I'm overwhelmed o.O
How do people think this is better that IRC?? I don't even know where to start talking here :/ Anyhow, fuck this.

The march is in Brussels 17h which is already very late if I still need to get back to W-Vl. I like to go, but I either need a place to stay or a way to get back. I don't know where I can ask why it's not listed any more and I don't think we're the right people atm to organise something like that. I also don't know how to contact any of those people.

Is there anyone else planning on goin? Can I crash at someones place or something?

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert March 6th, 2019 19:18

Is there someone still on FB? I think best would be to just ask on that event page or smthng

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert March 6th, 2019 19:33

I left this on their contact page https://savetheinternet.info/contact


Michel Braibant March 7th, 2019 06:40


Hobbes March 7th, 2019 12:57

Ok, I just understood a bit of that discord, and tried to join the Belgian channel... which doesn't exist. There is Germany, Switzerland, Poland, France,... but no Belgium. From the general channel, maybe the Belgian activists got involved with something that SaveTheInternet wishes to avoid (just speculation). I'll try to contact the organizers on discord if I can find who they are.


Hobbes March 7th, 2019 12:59

I just get Dutch speaking politicians on that page, mainly nva or openvld, no way to choose the region and get French speaking ones... :-(


Hobbes March 7th, 2019 13:01

oh, there's another organization planning and listing the events, and there Brussels is listed: https://www.stopacta2.org/stopacta2-events/

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout March 7th, 2019 15:35

I just got Claude Rolin. Do you want to exchange with the ones you have in double? :laughing:

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert March 7th, 2019 16:53

Reaction to my contact form

Hey Ilja,

indeed there was some complications with the host of the demonstration
in Brussels. The event will still start as planned and stated in the
Facebook event.

Kind Regards

Luca Stehle

Renaud Van Eeckhout

Renaud Van Eeckhout September 2nd, 2019 09:57

Question for people who know more about copyright and press than I do :

Someone on Twitter posted a video of this goal during a football match in Italy, obviously he doesn't have the rights to do it (as his previous video has already been taken down).

If a news website makes an article about this goal, and includes the tweet containing the video, do you know/think that they have agreements with the copyright holders (in this case the Italian football championship) to do so?

Or are they making money/increasing the value of their product by blatantly abusing someone else's copyrighted work without retributing? (which is was the press told us in the last months was unacceptable and led to the approval of the Copyright Directive)