Loomio
Tue 9 Jun 2015 9:22AM

Decision-Making Beyond the Representative Board

DS Danyl Strype Public Seen by 26

In and around the time of the Open Source Open Society conference in Te Whanganui-a-Tara, there were some informal discussions among a number of NZ Pirates, some of them Board members. We floated the idea of dissolving the Board, replacing it with a) a cluster of formal Working Groups, and b) using Loomio to make all party decisions. The original discussion document written by Ben is here:
https://gist.github.com/zl4bv/1995e9ff8536ee20a15e

The working groups provide each Officer (eg Treasurer, Secretary, Communications) with a pool of deputies, who can share the work of that office, and keep the Officer accountable. This has the advantage of avoiding single-points-of-failure, as all work by that Officer and the Working Group will be well documented automatically as the discussions occur, and in the event of Officers going AWOL, another member of the Working Group can be delegated to take over as Acting Officer until a new permanent Officer can be elected.

This discussion is now focused on defining more precisely how this new Board-less/ networked structure will work, through a collaborative document exploring the various practicalities and concerns:
http://piratepad.net/OezvwsyBUl

Once we find substantial agreement on the nuts and bolts, we can cut this discussion document down to the essentials, and refine it into our new party constitution.

BV

Poll Created Fri 24 Jul 2015 6:49AM

We meet on Tuesdays at 8 PM to work on the details of our new party structure Closed Mon 27 Jul 2015 6:07AM

Outcome
by Ben Vidulich Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:22AM

Meeting on Tuesdays at 8 PM seems to work for a majority of respondents. It is important that they we keep track of and share the progress we make with these meetings so that those who cannot attend remain informed.

Day: Tuesdays
Time: 20:00
Repeat: every week for the next 6 weeks (approx.)
Where: Mumble

By agreeing to this proposal you are indicating that the chosen day/time suits you. Attendance is optional, so agreeing doesn't mean you have to attend.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 80.0% 4 DS DU BV HM
Abstain 20.0% 1 DU
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 38 AR J AJ TF KT TJ DP CM M RU PA AB PC M B JB PY P JP RF

5 of 43 people have participated (11%)

DS

Danyl Strype
Agree
Sat 25 Jul 2015 4:54PM

I think it will help to talk regularly to get clear on our new way of working, and how long we're going to run with it before reviewing.

DU

William Asiata
Abstain
Mon 27 Jul 2015 2:01AM

Not particularly free during this era of my life, though always keen to catch up on updates when I get round to checking my emails.

DU

William Asiata Mon 27 Jul 2015 1:54AM

I really like the idea of dissolution of an executive board to remove any dependence on a centralised administrative body so as to promote the freedom and initiative of individual/s to work on any projects of interest unhindered without needing 'endorsement' or 'validation' from an arbitrary 'official' organising entity - the merit is in the results of the work itself and the power of the people to choose. very profound. The Pirate Wheel is also very awesome.

This might be a bit off topic, but I was just wondering, if PPNZ were to run in elections, how are the candidates chosen?
I discussed this in depth in the IP Policy Incubator, and thought that the best method would be to run open elections from the membership at large in each electorate to designate each electoral candidate, and to run nationwide elections to determine a party list.
The election methodology would combine aspects of both approval voting and preferential (STV) voting. Ballots can list unlimited choices, and every member is a candidate to election by virtue of declaring membership. In this way everyone is treated as truly 'equal' in that no one needs to appoint themselves or be nominated to run (such acts are intimately connected to feeling of superiority/inferiority, they are anti-anarchist feelings that risk leading one to the darkside, it's sad that so many of our systems require that people discern a differentiation in value from others to be nominated to run), rather we are all running by the intrinsic virtue of our each and everyone's very own existence. In this proposed system, election ballots and the process of nomination have been conflated into a single part of the process to result in a system that is humanist and inclusive.
The appointed members for candidacy are those that receive the greatest overall populist quality of approval.
I feel that this kind of election is founded on similar principles that are the reason that lead to the creation of the Pirate Wheel and the dissolution of the PPNZ board.

Please see my recent comments here for a more specific description of the mechanics of a possible example of the potential election/appointment methodology I am proposing.

DU

William Asiata Mon 27 Jul 2015 2:07AM

Also sorry if that comment is in the wrong thread, wasn't sure if it is appropriate or if there is any space for it to be shared or if the members might find the ideas valuable to consider at some stage during deliberations. Faafetai tele, Viliamu

DS

Danyl Strype Tue 28 Jul 2015 1:38PM

Yes, @williamasiata candidate selection is a bit off-topic, and this an urgent discussion about party structure. You are welcome to start a new discussion thread about that, it's important, but not urgent.

DS

Danyl Strype Tue 28 Jul 2015 2:03PM

Sorry I couldn't make it to the Mumble meeting tonight.

@hubatmcjuhes an elected "Secrets and Accounts" WG is just the Board by another name. The whole point of this exercise is to see if we can do without unrecallable delegation. I believe there should be elected officers, but as few as possible (Treasurer and Secretary, perhaps Co-Presidents/ Co-Leaders), and each with their own WG, which any party member can join.

All Core (constitutional) WGs need to document their deliberations and decisions on a member-facing (maybe even public-facing) Loomio subgroup, for accountability to other WGs, the broader membership, and supporters and allies. With our small active membership at present, most of us will need to be part of at least two WGs, so there is likely to be a lot of overlap and cross-talk anyway.

Proposed Core WGs
+ Hospitality (moderation, currently being handled in one ongoing discussion on the main group)
+ Secrets (secretarial and membership, currently 'Membership Rules')
+ Treasury (finances and fundraising, currently 'Executive', although some of its archived discussions may be more relevant to the 'Engine Room')
+ Communications (internal and public-facing comms, subgroup already exists)
+ Engine Room (digital infostructure, platforms, tech support, subgroup already exists)
+ Policy (discussion and drafting of policy*, subgroup already exists)

  • when the members active in the Policy WG think they have a stable draft, a proposal can be made to pass a version (versioned by date) to the main group. Once that happens, a consensus (or supermajority if consensus can't be reached) decides if the version is adopted as official policy or not.
HM

Hubat McJuhes Wed 29 Jul 2015 10:24PM

@williamasiata I find the ideas you bring up and that have been discussed in that thread you liked very interesting and important. I would love to participate in an in-depth discussion about that and I kindly like to ask you to start a separate discussion about that.

I wonder if it might be a good idea to wait with that until we have the new structure in place, though, as our resources are pretty limited and need to be focused right now. But I am really looking forward to having that discussion then, and I think I have a thought or two to contribute :-)

DS

Poll Created Tue 4 Aug 2015 3:37PM

Create or Modify Subgroups to Create Core Working Groups Closed Mon 10 Aug 2015 11:07AM

Outcome
by Danyl Strype Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:22AM

Agreement on using this schema to tidy up our Loomio group, while we continue to iterate towards a new constitution.

I propose that we create or modify subgroups of this Loomio group, to create our core Working Groups, as follows:

Create new:
* Hospitality: new subgroup for moderation according to CofC, "How We Use Loomio" discussion to be moved there.
* Records: new subgroup for archival of discussions which are unlikely to continue, but which may be referred to for historical purposes

Modify:
* Secrets: currently existing ‘Membership Rules’ subgroup to be renamed, for secretarial and membership matters
* Treasury: 'Executive’ or 'PPNZ Board'subgroup to be renamed for finances and fundraising. Some of the discussions in either of these may be more relevant to the 'Engine Room’:
* Policy Incubator: currently existing subgroup 'Policy Group' to be renamed for discussion and drafting of policy

Existing:
* Communications: subgroup already exists for internal and public-facing comms
* Engine Room: subgroup already exists for digital infostructure, platforms, tech support

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 50.0% 1 AR
Abstain 50.0% 1 HM
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 38 J AJ TF KT TJ DP CM BV M RU PA AB PC M B JB PY P JP RF

2 of 40 people have participated (5%)

HM

Hubat McJuhes
Abstain
Wed 5 Aug 2015 2:18AM

This proposal is too concrete given that many aspects of it are still currently disputed.
This proposal prematurely sets us up for the 'subcommittees without a committee' model ignoring the 'Permanent Membership Assembly' model, without discussion.

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