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Mon 4 Nov 2013 3:54AM

Podmins and external services

F Flaburgan Public Seen by 91

Hello everybody.

I'm opening this discussion because I'm facing a problem that I think every podmins have. It's about external services like Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and Wordpress at the moment. To allow diaspora users to post to these services, the podmin has to create an application with a certified account on these services. Then the application becomes available to the users who allow it to write on the service for them.

The problem is, this obliged the podmin to 1. create an account on every service, 2. certified this account, this implies to confirm the account with a mobile phone.

I don't want to give my mobile phone to Facebook (and co), so I am not able to activate cross-posting from diaspora-fr.org to Facebook. I think that the diaspora foundation should have a role in this problem. I don't think we need a facebook account per pod, we can imagine that we have only one facebook account owned by the foundation, and certified, and then we offer to the podmin the possibility to cross-post to service using the foundation account.

This means, either the foundation has to create an app each time a new pod wants to cross post, either we are using only one app for every pods (I don't know if this is bad in term of decentralization or not, considering that at the end, everything is centralized on facebook anyway so...)

What's your opinion guys? Any ideas to solve this problem?

KAK

Karthikeyan A K Mon 4 Nov 2013 5:16AM

what abt sdking facebokk creditals from users and turning diaspora jnto facebook client like friendica?

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Elm Mon 4 Nov 2013 7:08AM

@flaburgan : I agree with you. Now I understand why there is no cross posting to FB on diaspora-fr.org ! Also, some podmins may not even have a mobile phone to be able to certify…

EK

Emmanouel Kapernaros Mon 4 Nov 2013 10:33AM

I dont like having an account to facebook either.. I agree with @karthikeyanak .

JR

Jason Robinson Mon 4 Nov 2013 8:28PM

I don't think it will be possible to have a foundation facebook account that is not tied to a person. AFAIK, Facebook accounts are always personal.

Of course someone or some people could be admins of those apps. Still, I think it would be against the idea of Diaspora as a decentralized social network to require podmins to use foundation resources. Of course if we make it possible to do it either way then I see nothing wrong in pushing towards a foundation (person) owned applications, as long as podmins can technically integrate their own app too.

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Flaburgan Mon 4 Nov 2013 9:57PM

Of course it would not be "require", it's the opposite: help podmins who don't want to set up an account on external services to be able to cross post.

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Vostok Thu 7 Nov 2013 9:24PM

@flaburgan I'm also facing the same problem on the pod. I've already set up an account on Facebook months ago for the pod use, but FB requires me to certify the account through a mobile number. No way!
The way I see is similar to yours: What if someone (maybe the foundation or someone from the community) implement an application to work as a Facebook pool, which has some active accounts voluntarily given from some Facebook users? I mean, if some diasporian guys have some already certified accounts, they could voluntarily 'lend' their FB credentials (login and passwd) for this application to work. The application would work like a pool of Facebook accounts and a gateway of messages leaving all diaspora pods that have the FB service integration installed.
Not sure if it's complicated or even viable to be implemented, it's just my thoughts.

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goob Thu 7 Nov 2013 11:00PM

Perhaps rather than relying on the podmin to set up authorisation via a mobile number, we could put the onus on the users who want to cross-post to Facebook, and let one of them use their own details to make the authorisation. One of them might be happy to give Facebook their mobile number, or they might already have given Facebook their mobile number.

Would it be possible as follows:

  • The podmin sets up a connection as far as they can.
  • If further authorisation is needed, the first time someone on the pod tries to set up a cross-posting, they get a warning something like 'currently there is not authorisation between this pod and Facebook. Are you happy to authorise such a connection for yourself and other users of this pod?'
  • If they say yes, cross-posting is now possible for everyone on the pod.
  • If they say no, the next person who tries to set up cross-posting gets the notice, until someone does take this step.
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StarBlessed Fri 8 Nov 2013 3:41AM

Ok... What Im getting from this is, no-one wants to give their credentials to FB.

That said, I have a few burner SIM's floating around. Would you guys like me to setup an account with FB API access for your pods?

JR

Jason Robinson Fri 8 Nov 2013 2:58PM

I'm quite sure only the people who don't have FB accounts are complaining here ;)

EK

Emmanouel Kapernaros Fri 8 Nov 2013 3:11PM

No, I have fb account only for providing my pod's users the extra features. I don't like having one. I would like to delete it if an alternative method is implemented, like the one @karthikeyanak suggested.

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