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Fri 11 Jan 2019

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Brian Prangle Fri 11 Jan 2019

The first QP for 2019 is up and running which is to exploit the Food Hygiene Rating dataset to improve POI and address coverage.

The Board would like to experiment with the next QP by adding the task to StreetComplete which should make it easier to survey and edit and potentially draw in fresh participants. For that we need a project with data that is easily and quickly verifiable on the ground and we also need to start early to have the StreeComplete instance working in time.

So.... we're thinking of making the next QP "Ghosts". Ghosts are (usually) retail chains that close or are rebranded and remain in OSM for some considerable time afterwards, indicating an area potentially with few currentmappers, and also providing inaccurate information. Ghost information can be found on Robert Whitaker's excellent resource

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Tony Shield Sun 27 Jan 2019

In mapping my locality I have been surprised that many Doctor/GP surgeries are missing and looking at the NHS wesite I see that there are many other NHS facilities available bu not mapped. Are these suitable for a project. I do not know if the data is opensource.
We've had a query about tagging DVLA Test Centres on the Talk-GB list - are Government offices suitable to Ghost or add additional tags to aid completeness? I know that Ministry of Justice is closing courthouses and the government in general is reducing its property portfolio - can these be rechecked?

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[deactivated account] Sat 2 Mar 2019

Food Hygiene- All, I tried to edit the Food Hygiene wiki, but from my phone, the page wouldn't allow me to edit, after logging in.

I couldn't see any mention of the useful 'Scores on the Doors' (Android) application. If it's not been discussed already, it may be worth a look, here:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sotd.foodhygiene

Cheers,

Chris
chris_debian

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Jez Nicholson Sun 3 Mar 2019

I've added a (brief) mention at the bottom of the wiki page.

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Jez Nicholson Fri 22 Mar 2019

Jerry (sk53) has blogged about rooftop solar https://sk53-osm.blogspot.com/2019/03/mapping-roof-top-solar-panels.html and has suggested it (or something related?) as a Quarterly Project.

I'm working doggedly through identifying industrial-size 1MW+ 'farms' on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom and would love some help.

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Dan S Wed 3 Apr 2019

Hi Jez - I've been doing some of the larger solar farms too! I've been in conversation with Jerry and others, and I'm hoping to propose that we do something with it, e.g. next quarterly project. Should I start a new thread, or just write in the end of this thread? (I'm rather bad at Loomio so far)

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Jez Nicholson Wed 3 Apr 2019

Good stuff. Just write on the end of this thread if it's re: the Quarterly Project, or post to Talk-GB for general solar chat.... Russ just added a new solar heatmap layer to https://openinframap.org/#6.95/51.071/-2.661 which may help. I am particularly interested in larger (1MW+) ground-based solar, but I know that Jerry has had discussions on small scale rooftop home solar. We can make a joint bid for next Quarterly Project.

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Dan S Wed 3 Apr 2019

OK I'll post to talk-gb as an "RFC" and maybe go to Loomio after that. I've just had a chat with some solar analysts and they've confirmed that it's useful to them to know about small rooftop solar as well as larger solar farms, so anything we map will be useful :)

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Adam Hoyle Sat 23 Mar 2019

Discussions into how to translate the Quarterly Project into a Street Complete Quest are ongoing. There are a few options being discussed:
1) Create a specialised Quest for the Ghosts data (would cover < 1000 nodes)
2) Create a more general shops-with-missing names quest (would cover over half a million nodes)
3) Try to help with efforts to create a much more general anything-with-a-missing-name Quest (current blocker on that Quest is how to translate such a general question into many languages in a meaningful way)

Does anyone here have any particular thoughts or opinions or other alternatives to share?

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Adam Hoyle Thu 16 May 2019

Just to note that the anything-with-a-missing-name quest got unblocked should be live on Google Play by now.

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[deactivated account] Fri 17 May 2019

Cool :-)

GM(

If the Quarterly Project was about shops, could we focus on adding/updating names and wheelchair accessibility?

StreetComplete could be used for missing names.
People could also use Robert's "Ghosts" manually.
The use of https://wheelmap.org/search would also be super-simple for newer mappers.

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Andrew Black Fri 29 Mar 2019

I would like to do shops, including ghosts and nameless shops.

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Brian Prangle Sun 31 Mar 2019

Our current Quarterly Project - using Food Hygiene Rating Standard data to improve addresses - ends today. We now have nearly 70,000 entities tagged with their fhrs:id identifier. During the quarter the addition of postcode data showed little sign of abating
So we've had another productive Quarterly Project- thank you to everyone who contributed
Our next Quartely Project continues the theme of addresses but from another angle. This quarter should see us address the issue of the major change under way on all our high streets as the retail sector continues its restructuring under the impact of online services
The first priority should be to reduce the number of "Ghosts". Ghosts are businesses that no longer exist (e.g Toys R US, BHS) or have changed name due to merger or takeover or rebranding (e.g Lloyds TSB, Staples, Co-operative Pharmacies). A comprehensive list can be found here. There are probably more announcements to be made to add to our work, as bank and atm networks continue to retract. This could be a good opportunity to build community links by contacting local mappers in areas that need some attention to their high streets, rather than armchairing the exercise
Of course not all retail businesses on our High Streets are chains so the Project can be regarded as generally improving coverage and detail of retail areas.
Some other resources to help you
Nameless shops and other POIs
Survey Me!
We are also trying to get a StreetComplete instance set up to help with surveying/editing. Adam from the OSMUK Board is leading this initiative and is keen to get some assistance.

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Thanks Brian.

I wanted to get this page created on the OSM wiki today so your post was helpful.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2019_Q2_Project:_Retail_Areas

Like the map, anyone is able to improve the page. I simply chopped up Brian's words to get it started.

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Jez Nicholson Tue 9 Apr 2019

(As Adam said a couple of comments ago) we are looking to create StreetComplete quests for Quarterly Projects. Us Directors have an action to try StreetComplete out before our next monthly meeting (tomorrow night). It would be great if everyone could give it a go. We don't have the quest available yet, but it would give an idea of what could be achieved so that you can be involved in discussions.

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[deactivated account] Tue 9 Apr 2019

Thanks, Jez.

I've been a long term use of StreetComplete, so may be able to offer feedback in new quests.

Chris
chris_debian
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Jez Nicholson started a proposal Wed 15 May 2019

"Solar power" will be the Q3 (July-Sept) 2019 Quarterly Project Closed Fri 21 Jun 2019

Outcome
by Jez Nicholson Fri 21 Jun 2019

Here comes the sun (hopefully). A good point about sorting out the tags, but maybe that should be part of the project? Anyway, some activities and tools based around solar would be welcome. Group trip to a solar farm anyone?

A good case has been made (on Talk-GB) for a solar power project. Some people are interested in industrial-size installations, others on home-based. The tagging is not 100% sorted out, and we have an entry-level task for matching government planning records to industrial.

I propose that we accept this as the next QP without suggesting alternatives. You may (anonymously) disagree here.

Note: The poll finishes and the decision is made 1 week before the project is due to start, giving time to announce it and set up.

Results
Agree - 11
Abstain - 0
Disagree - 1
Block - 0
12 people have voted (16%)
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Anonymous
Agree
Wed 15 May 2019

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Anonymous
Agree
Wed 15 May 2019

Sounds like a plan.

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Anonymous
Agree
Wed 15 May 2019

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Anonymous
Agree
Wed 15 May 2019

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Anonymous
Agree
Wed 15 May 2019

Don't forget the Renewable Obligation register (has site addresses and MW) and the Feed in Tariff register (admin region for smaller installations).

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Anonymous
Agree
Thu 16 May 2019

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Anonymous
Agree
Fri 17 May 2019

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Anonymous
Agree
Sat 18 May 2019

also add car electric charging points. There is clearly strong use case for including them - I can't find any mapping which includes them all.

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Anonymous
Agree
Wed 22 May 2019

I have been one of the proponents of this.* I'm still excited about it - there's feasible mapping to be done, and there are good uses for the data!
* https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2019-April/022724.html

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Anonymous
Agree
Thu 23 May 2019

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Anonymous
Disagree
Thu 20 Jun 2019

the tagging is not sorted out and there are better things to focus on mapping

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Anonymous
Agree
Thu 20 Jun 2019

GM(

Here is the page to the project https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2019_Q3_Project:_Solar_Power

I remember someone talking about the importance of this exact data. "predicting how much solar energy we'll get on a particular day". I thought I had been told mapping solar panels could aid in reducing how much non-renewable plants are used on sunny days?
Presumably the National Grid are already doing that if they know the number of installations?
If our mapping would increase use of renewables, could someone add this to the "why" section of the project page. I might run a mapping event specifically for this project.

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Cj Malone Fri 4 Sep

I think a good one would be to map defibs. Rob already has a tool to direct surveys. We can FOI for specific areas that haven't already been, and I've just reached out to SADSUK to see if they have any data we could use.

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Cj Malone Sat 5 Sep

It seems there is no country wide defib dataset, so with the right push OSM could be that. They already list "Open Source Map by Dr Robert Whittaker" as one of the fragmented maps they recommend, we could probably work together with them.

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Huw Diprose Sat 5 Sep

I've been looking over some data released under FOI recently. I'm concerned a lot of it seems.to be unlicenced...

Has anyone encountered what we can / can't do with FOI releases?

Best I can tell I need to follow up on a release with a "reuse of public data 2015". They'd need to consider my request, and it gives me a chance to ask them to make it OGL.

Are we likely to run into this issue with defibs and FOIs?

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Cj Malone Sat 5 Sep

FOI data is not licensed so that it could be imported or integrated into OSM (ODbL), but the current stance is that using that data to direct independent surveys, then adding what you've seen is OK.

You could use the FOI to request it being released under the OGL, but I doubt you'd get much traction, they try to do and give the bare minimum. They even drag there feet with people why use pseudonyms. I think it would be better for us to request Open Data at an individual or department that would be more inclined to.