FOSS cooperatives - A white paper (?)
following the few toots I exchanged with @doubleloop earlier today, I figured we could gather resources and maybe even collaboratively write something around FOSS and cooperatives. As I said on the instance, it could be interesting for communities to evolve past the current model of loose, voluntary particpation and embrace that of the cooperative. Such a change would not only provide better financial stability, but would also rid the FOSS environment of the "benevolent dictator" and usher in a new era of democratic decisionmaking and accountability.
As @doubleloop pointed out, there are few examples of FOSS coops right now and I am not aware of any written material around this topic, so if anyone has something to share, please feel free.
I belive gathering material and getting to publish something as a group would be a great way to reinforce our commmunity spirit as well as a way to stay true to our core value of promoting cooperatives.
Poll Created Wed 6 Jun 2018 4:14PM
[REDACTED] | Should we draft a proposal for a Mastodon Coop? Closed Wed 13 Jun 2018 11:01PM
After letting this rest for a few days to make up my mind, I decided, based on the very reasonable objections moved by those members who chose to abstain, not to develop this idea in the form of a proper governance draft.
Thank you all for voting!
The current situation seems like a perfect occasion to take our chances and develop a draft governance proposal based on the multi-stakeholder cooperative model to both Gargron and Maloki.
EDIT: I removed the label prepended to the poll's title as it was causing confusion among voters. Apologies for any inconvenience of bad feelings it might have caused.
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30 of 99 people have voted (30%)
Wed 6 Jun 2018 4:37PM
I personally don't have capacity to participate in a large way RN, & I think the dynamics/politics of #forkoff are somewhat fraught and complicated, so we should tread carefully. That said, I think a general governance proposal could be useful.
Wed 6 Jun 2018 5:52PM
I feel like we have plenty to do to get social.coop working before we try to solve other (larger) problems in the community. I don't want to block this proposal however, if others feel differently and want to act on it.
Wed 6 Jun 2018 6:06PM
I agree with Matt on this directionally. IMO #forkoff is both a governance issue and a diversity/inclusion issue. That said, a draft document could be helpful to have in hand as things (hopefully) settle down a bit in the fediverse.
Wed 6 Jun 2018 7:23PM
I do not see the harm in creating a proposal to envision a Cooperative Federated "fork" of Mastodon. Something to add value to and recognize the extraordinary contributions thus far. Maybe not using the term "ForkOff" as there hot friction there.
Wed 6 Jun 2018 7:28PM
We should make this proposal just to have done so and to get a yay or nay from the current BDFL. I don't think we should associate it in any way with #ForkOff, which failed to show that the 'B' was inaccurate.
Wed 6 Jun 2018 11:19PM
If done tactfully, it could be a interesting undertaking? Although it seems like a sizable one. And it doesn't feel like we have the coop thing quite sorted out sustainably ourselves yet.
Thu 7 Jun 2018 1:45AM
I am not sure we have things figured out for ourselves yet enough to really put forward a strong proposal with our own experience as an example. But, as already stated by Ed, I don’t want to block the proposal if others think it could work.
Thu 7 Jun 2018 9:53AM
I reckon this could be an interesting conduit through which to channel more focused discussion and produce some complete, formalised proposal/vision/manifesto. I expect it would be worthwhile as a process (even if Gargron never reads it!)
Thu 7 Jun 2018 1:33PM
Is there a specific example document/organization we agree would be a model for this in software? My abstain is definitely encouragement to all who have specifics in mind to draft something for discussion, I just don't know myself.
Sat 9 Jun 2018 7:17PM
This is an interesting idea but I feel we are still finding our way ourselves and so have other things we should be focusing our energies on. If we do go ahead, I think our proposal should be solid in its own right, not a part of ForkOff as such.
Neil - @firstname.lastname@example.org
Sat 9 Jun 2018 9:46PM
Maybe it could be reframed as per the original thread context - a proposal for FOSS cooperatives in general, using Mastodon as a case study of how it could work. A 'soft launch', so to say, that could lead somewhere.
Sun 10 Jun 2018 7:25PM
All power to anyone up for getting a proposal going.
I don't think this is something that needs the permission of social.coop at this stage - once there's a proposal in place, perhaps the group can endorse it then.
Looking forward to reviewing it!
Sun 10 Jun 2018 7:27PM
All power to anyone up for getting a proposal going.
I don't think this is something that needs the permission of social.coop at this stage.
I connect with @matthewcropp/s observation re: focus & neil re: a more general FOSS doc better use of time.
Tue 12 Jun 2018 10:20PM
I don't think this group is representative of the people whose interests the intended fork is supposed to serve, and I'm not so confident that we really have any expertise to offer in terms of governance, especially around their immediate needs.
Tue 12 Jun 2018 11:30PM
Changing my vote from Abstain to Agree. I think the development of a model mastodon development co-op structure to be shared would be useful. Folks could take or leave it, but it would also serve to advance s.c's capacity, I think...
Tue 12 Jun 2018 11:39PM
The whole forkoff thing is full of awful, abusive people. Their constant flaming and "shaming" are making my experience of Mastodon worse than Twitter ever was. If I had to actually work with them as part of SC, I'd probably have to move server.
Gil Scott Fitzgerald
Wed 13 Jun 2018 2:45AM
My (uninformed mostly gut) feeling about #forkoff is negative, but in general I think cooperative structures should be considered wherever possible so I'm not opposed either
Wed 13 Jun 2018 1:08PM
I see social.coop wildly expanding its engagement in more and more shiny things that come along before we've even got our technical and code-of-conduct house in order. This is activity creep IMO.
Wed 13 Jun 2018 4:36PM
After reading a lot of what's being said by people active in #ForkOff / #ForkOffTogether, and considering the current state of social.coop itself (downtime, software now several revisions out of date), I do not think this is a good use of our energy.
Wed 13 Jun 2018 5:31PM
We should make this proposal just to have done so and to get a yay or nay from the current BDFL. I don't think we should associate it in any way with #ForkOff, which failed to show that the 'B' was inaccurate. EDIT: agree with removing #ForkOff.