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October 7th, 2019 00:12

October 2019 Social.coop Strategy Thread

Matthew Cropp
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In the most recent Community Working Group Operations Team call, we discussed moving a process forward to collect members' thoughts on the strategic direction of our co-op, with an eye towards a developing a plan to guide the co-op going forward. We'll be given a short (8 minutes) slot during the Platform Cooperativism conference in early November to discuss social.coop, so that gives us a good deadline for completing this work.

So, I'll be putting out a schedule poll for a 90 minute Zoom call this month that all members are invited to participate in, and we also welcome folks to share their thoughts and ideas in this thread!

Matthew Cropp

Matthew Cropp November 1st, 2019 15:24

Facepalm Thanks for noticing, just updated with the link.

JohnKuti

JohnKuti November 1st, 2019 05:02

not an exhaustive list of things to distinguish in a social network / information commons:

  1. news vs knowledge vs wisdom

1.what’s important news for everybody, news for specialists in a particular area, personal reflection and ongoing communication between friends.

  1. who should and shouldn't be allowed to register as a user.

  2. speech and aggression.

  3. “work” that should be paid in money and “work” that shouldn't.

  4. issues where a collective acts as one and where each member acts separately.

mike_hales

mike_hales October 30th, 2019 19:21

@Matthew Cropp was there intended to be a link here, to the meeting notes? I don’t see one.

mike_hales

mike_hales October 30th, 2019 15:47

Here's a condensed version of what's in my pdf notes - more visual, single page

Matthew Cropp

Matthew Cropp October 30th, 2019 15:43

Notes from today's call. Thanks everyone!

Dave V. ND9JR

Dave V. ND9JR
No
October 30th, 2019 11:40

Will be at work at the time.

Manuela Bosch

Manuela Bosch
Yes
October 30th, 2019 09:28

I can join the call only partly, i'll try to be there in the first part. i hope this is ok. joining anyway feels important. i'll be at the platform coop conference too and would love to reconnect before with social.coop and you guys.

Manuela Bosch

Manuela Bosch
Abstain
October 30th, 2019 09:26

i did not have the chance yet to dive into this and have been not enought involved lately to be able to judge priorities. but i trust it's the right topics to discuss.

Ana Ulin

Ana Ulin
Abstain
October 29th, 2019 16:48

Points #4 and #3 ("A-list") feel particularly important to me.

The financial underpinnings of social.coop and how we compensate those who "do the work" (tech or otherwise) feels like an existential matter for the continued thriving of social.coop.

Having a set of ideas that don't need to be re-litigated in times of crisis would make us more robust and help prospective members self-select. Can be a simple list, eg: https://doubleunion.org/base_assumptions/

Django

Django
No
October 29th, 2019 16:44

Can’t make it

emi do

emi do
Abstain
October 29th, 2019 01:10

@mikeh8: thank you for putting so much thought into this. I think it's awesome that you are able to articulate and organize your ideas in writing. For me, the theoretical ideas you're presenting are a bit taxing to my energy levels towards this project and it's hard for me to reconcile the proposals you've made with the practical issues we are facing on the platform.

Matt Noyes

Matt Noyes October 28th, 2019 21:13

That was my understanding. Thanks for getting the conversation moving!

mike_hales

mike_hales October 28th, 2019 21:07

No problem with abstaining Matt, I’m not trying to get these ideas endorsed here. I just want to float some thoughts for discussing on Weds, which first began to form during the meltdown weeks last year.

Matt Noyes

Matt Noyes
Abstain
October 28th, 2019 20:58

I like these ideas, I do think we need to consider making the existing do-ocracy a bit more formal, and based on my recent introduction to MayFirst, which just became a cooperative, that process -- making social.coop a formal cooperative -- might have a good heuristic affect, provoking more participation and commitment...
Abstaining because I see these as valid topics for discussion but am not ready to endorse them.

Leo Sammallahti

Leo Sammallahti
Abstain
October 28th, 2019 20:32

Mike, I understand that it's tricky to try to summarise what I'm sure are well thought out ideas in a short form, but I am not entirely sure of what you mean so correct me if I'm wrong a path here.

Regarding commoning, I have tried to improve and extend Wikipedia articles relevant to coops. I think that could be one nice activity Social Coop could organise.

@mattnoyes for example seems to be interested in Latin American coop movement. We could perhaps improve Wiki articles relevant to it.

Noah ( @redoak )

Noah ( @redoak )
Yes
October 28th, 2019 18:33

I will try to make it. Might be late.

mike_hales

mike_hales
Consent
October 28th, 2019 18:19

The pdf had become detached from the proposal. It's re-attached now.

Matt Noyes

Matt Noyes
Consent
October 28th, 2019 17:58

I like these ideas, I do think we need to consider making the existing do-ocracy a bit more formal, and based on my recent introduction to MayFirst, which just became a cooperative, that process -- making social.coop a formal cooperative -- might have a good heuristic affect, provoking more participation and commitment...
Also - not sure what is meant by #3 above. Core intentions of whom regarding what?

Bob Haugen

Bob Haugen
Consent
October 28th, 2019 13:24

Loomio says the "attached pdf" does not exist.
Option to add: Make social coop more useful to coopers. First step: add Loomio polls to the social.coop client app. Loomio has done this for Slack(tm), wd be better to add to Fediverse...

mike_hales

mike_hales started a proposal October 28th, 2019 09:34

Proposals for discussion in Zoom on Oct 30 Closed 2:02pm - Wednesday 30 Oct 2019

Outcome
by mike_hales October 30th, 2019 19:17

Today’s Zoom discussion picked up three of the topics proposed. One of them - a list of ‘core concerns’ which defines the intentions and common purposes of social.coop - will be taken up. Another - the labour required to support the platform infrastructure of social.coop - seems likely to be an ongoing concern, which some people have a particular focus on. The third - developing a public knowledge base around the core concerns - was tacitly accepted, but with no clear definition of how this may be done. Editing Wikipedia entries related to coops was one proposal. Adopting fedwiki as a platform for use by social.coop members was not discussed in any detail. The fourth proposal - to regard social.coop as a ‘cultural commons’ rather than simply ‘a coop’ - was not discussed.

Looking forward to Wednesday’s Zoom discussion. I have three interlinked ideas that I offer for discussion, as possible developments in social.coop:

  1. Develop a self-aware practice as a cultural commons - which is not exactly the same as ‘a coop’.

  2. Start up a durable, evolving, ‘commoned’ knowledge base around the core concerns (maybe a fedwiki); and

  3. Adopt a statement of core concerns and intentions - an ‘A-list’. A fourth matter arises along with these:

  4. Review the financial basis of social.coop, and payment for the tech ops team members who maintain and develop the platform infrastructure.

The attached pdf has a bit on each. Plus fifth, a brief reflection on where we maybe are at, compared with the meltdown in 2018.

This isn't actually a call to vote. This is just a way to propose topics we might discuss. If the discussion thinks they're OK, this might become a vote later? But if you do have options to add, you can do this in the voting process.

Results
Consent - 2
Abstain - 5
Objection - 0
7 people have voted (3%)
mike_hales

mike_hales
Yes
October 27th, 2019 18:27

Darren

Darren
Yes
October 21st, 2019 17:51

Thanks for organising this, I look forward to it.

Nikita

Nikita
No
October 21st, 2019 01:26

Can't make it, unfortunately. :/ No big deal!

Carey Lin

Carey Lin
No
October 19th, 2019 00:33

kekorraelagua

kekorraelagua
No
October 18th, 2019 10:37

Ana Ulin

Ana Ulin
Yes
October 14th, 2019 04:53

emi do

emi do
Yes
October 13th, 2019 21:18

Aaron Wolf

Aaron Wolf
No
October 13th, 2019 21:17

could possibly, and would like to, but it's 7AM-8:30 where I am, and that's the block of time I have to get my son ready for 9AM preschool.

Leo Sammallahti

Leo Sammallahti
Yes
October 12th, 2019 18:49

Mica Fisher

Mica Fisher
No
October 12th, 2019 17:00

This is during work for me but I hope the conversation is fruitful!

Nick S

Nick S
No
October 12th, 2019 15:27

Clashes with a childcare commitment

Clayton Dewey

Clayton Dewey
Yes
October 11th, 2019 15:23

JohnKuti

JohnKuti
Yes
October 11th, 2019 12:31

I'm a very new user/member so I'm not expecting to say anything, But I'd like to understand what's happening. This is 17.00 in Saint Petersburg.

Bob Haugen

Bob Haugen
Yes
October 11th, 2019 12:05

Matt Noyes

Matt Noyes
Yes
October 11th, 2019 03:06

Jake Franklin

Jake Franklin
Yes
October 11th, 2019 02:19

Matthew Cropp

Matthew Cropp
Yes
October 11th, 2019 01:14

Matthew Cropp

Matthew Cropp is checking October 11th, 2019 01:14

RSVP for 10/30 10am-11:30am EDT Strategy Call Closed 9:02am - Wednesday 30 Oct 2019

Please check 'yes' if you plan to attend, 'no' if you cannot make it. Tentative agenda (subject to suggestions):

  • Personal Check-ins

  • Round of thoughts about, reflections on, and ideas for social.coop (~1-2 min. each)

  • Lessons learned thus-far.

  • Proposal(s) development for policies, reforms, etc.

  • Check-outs

Call Coordinates:

Topic: S.C Strategy Meeting

Time: Oct 30, 2019 10:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

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13 - Yes
8 - No
Mica Fisher

Mica Fisher October 9th, 2019 11:30

October 31st, 2019 00:00
October 28th, 2019 00:00
October 23rd, 2019 01:00
October 23rd, 2019 00:00
October 15th, 2019 01:00
October 15th, 2019 00:00
mike_hales

mike_hales October 9th, 2019 08:39

October 31st, 2019 14:00
October 31st, 2019 13:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 13:00

The way the instance is run seems opaque to me (occasional user, involved in no other social media). Participating ('at large' member) in the ops team made me aware the active core of operational labour is small (& tenuous?). 'Steering' labour too. So I'm still unclear in what way social.coop can operate as a coop, in the sense that a food distribution coop or a producer coop might be; or even my commercial telephone consumer coop in the UK. But great conversations!

Matt Noyes

Matt Noyes October 9th, 2019 01:39

October 31st, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 28th, 2019 14:00
October 25th, 2019 15:00
October 23rd, 2019 01:00
October 15th, 2019 01:00
Manuela Bosch

Manuela Bosch October 8th, 2019 11:51

October 31st, 2019 13:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 13:00
October 22nd, 2019 14:00

My availability may change, this is what I can say for now. Thanks for the initiative.

Nathan Schneider

Nathan Schneider October 7th, 2019 15:26

Darn, none of these times really works with my family schedule.

Bob Haugen

Bob Haugen October 7th, 2019 11:04

October 31st, 2019 14:00
October 31st, 2019 13:00
October 31st, 2019 00:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 14:00
October 28th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 00:00
October 25th, 2019 15:00
October 25th, 2019 14:00
October 25th, 2019 13:00
October 23rd, 2019 00:00
October 22nd, 2019 14:00
October 15th, 2019 00:00

I am most interested in discussions about how to make social.coop more useful for people involved in and/or organizing cooperatives and especially coordinating more than one cooperative. Not necessarily less social, but more cooperative.

Chris Zumbrunn

Chris Zumbrunn October 7th, 2019 05:28

October 31st, 2019 14:00
October 31st, 2019 13:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 14:00
October 28th, 2019 13:00
October 25th, 2019 15:00
October 25th, 2019 14:00
October 25th, 2019 13:00
October 22nd, 2019 14:00

Aaron Wolf

Aaron Wolf October 7th, 2019 05:27

October 25th, 2019 15:00
October 25th, 2019 14:00
Nikita

Nikita October 7th, 2019 01:50

October 31st, 2019 14:00
October 31st, 2019 13:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 14:00
October 28th, 2019 13:00
October 25th, 2019 15:00
October 25th, 2019 14:00
October 25th, 2019 13:00
October 22nd, 2019 14:00

My main thoughts are: (1) you people are amazing, and (2) I'd love to see more transparency and ease of contributing. I'd love to help with that as well, I'm just shy and/or busy. I mean improving the wiki, making sure working group lists are public and up to date, adding clear instructions for participation, etc.

Matthew Cropp

Matthew Cropp October 7th, 2019 01:30

It should be local for everyone.

Ana Ulin

Ana Ulin October 7th, 2019 01:17

October 31st, 2019 14:00
October 31st, 2019 13:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 14:00
October 28th, 2019 13:00
October 22nd, 2019 14:00
Nikita

Nikita October 7th, 2019 00:50

What's the timezone here? Is it local time for everyone?

Leo Sammallahti

Leo Sammallahti October 7th, 2019 00:44

October 31st, 2019 14:00
October 31st, 2019 13:00
October 31st, 2019 00:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 14:00
October 28th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 00:00
October 25th, 2019 15:00
October 25th, 2019 14:00
October 23rd, 2019 00:00
October 22nd, 2019 14:00
October 15th, 2019 01:00
October 15th, 2019 00:00

Have a bad habit of forgetting these calls but now I will put an alarm on my phone...

Matthew Cropp

Matthew Cropp October 7th, 2019 00:19

October 31st, 2019 14:00
October 31st, 2019 13:00
October 31st, 2019 00:00
October 30th, 2019 14:00
October 30th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 14:00
October 28th, 2019 13:00
October 28th, 2019 00:00
October 25th, 2019 15:00
October 25th, 2019 14:00
October 25th, 2019 13:00
October 23rd, 2019 01:00
October 23rd, 2019 00:00
October 22nd, 2019 14:00
October 15th, 2019 01:00
October 15th, 2019 00:00

Matthew Cropp

Matthew Cropp started a time poll October 7th, 2019 00:19

Social.coop Strategy Conversation Zoom Call Closed 8:01pm - Wednesday 9 Oct 2019

Outcome
by Matthew Cropp October 11th, 2019 00:49

It looks like October 30 at 10am US Eastern Daylight Time is our most mutually workable day! I will create an RSVP poll with the call coordinates, and look forward to the conversation!

If you're interested in joining a call to contribute your thoughts to the strategic direction and future of social.coop, please indicate which times might work for you to join a Zoom call. We also welcome folks' thoughts in the thread this decision is embedded in as well.

timezone
Matthew Cropp
Leo Sammallahti
Ana Ulin
Nikita
Aaron Wolf
Chris Zumbrunn
Bob Haugen
Nathan Schneider
Manuela Bosch
Matt Noyes
mike_hales
Mica Fisher
Total
October 15th, 2019 00:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
October 15th, 2019 01:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
October 22nd, 2019 14:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
7
October 23rd, 2019 00:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
October 23rd, 2019 01:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
3
October 25th, 2019 13:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
October 25th, 2019 14:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
6
October 25th, 2019 15:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
7
October 28th, 2019 00:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
October 28th, 2019 13:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
6
October 28th, 2019 14:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
7
October 30th, 2019 13:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
8
October 30th, 2019 14:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
9
October 31st, 2019 00:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
October 31st, 2019 13:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
8
October 31st, 2019 14:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
8