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Tue 16 Sep 2014 5:28AM

2015 NATS

MP Mike Polo [TIM] Public Seen by 138

Hi Guys,

Abit of chat amongst the polo community re: Nats 2015.

We have had semi yarns around this with old email thread etc.

What's people's thoughts.

Mike - Timaru

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NickDW [CBR] Tue 16 Sep 2014 7:51AM

Is Sydney still willing to host with rego at $100 per head?
Do we have enough cities willing to host qualifiers to make Brisbane's qualifier method work?

I would like to see an Aus/NZ Nats but if we can't find a host it's a moot point.

MP

Mike Polo [TIM] Tue 16 Sep 2014 11:47PM

I'm personally in favour to see us split it for the greater good of the worlds bid/event if it happens and run separate AUS and NZ.

Ollie had good points about this in other threads which thinking about have changed my mind set on and agree.

Having more teams from both countries playing the the main gig at the worlds is where I would like to see us !

Thoughts

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Brook [SYD] Wed 17 Sep 2014 1:10PM

As Michael said, there are huge organisational benefits to having split, smaller tournies proposed by Ollie. The combined number of teams we can put into WHBPC15 would be the same whether it's a large joint AHBPC or not. The difference would be that we'd have a confirmed and set number from Australia and NZ. i.e. 4 Aus and 2 NZ (purely an example)

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Alan [AKL] Wed 17 Sep 2014 9:19PM

If we are running worlds, we can enter as many Australasian teams as we like into worlds. For example, 5 Aus, 3 NZ, and 2 Timaru. Auckland is opposed to separating the Australasian champs into smaller National champs.

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Andy Balcar CHC Wed 17 Sep 2014 9:31PM

As Nick said we need to find a host first and I think work it from there - regions that are thinking about hosting need to decide what they can and can't offer.
I am personally strongly opposed to a split event.
1. We are 1 region - if we allocate spots to NZ/Ausy its not going to be a true representation of the region - look at the results from the last two years.
2. I think it is good for us as community to come together. Especially before we host the worlds - can't beat the face to face communication and synergy that comes with that.
3. With the state of NZ Polo we need to play with Australia to keep upping our game.

I would much rather a smaller Australasian tournament if that is what was needed.

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NickDW [CBR] Wed 17 Sep 2014 11:49PM

If we as a region get to decide the Ruleset for worlds then a joint Nats would be a great chance to build the experience of our refs and ensure (as much as possible) consistency of interpretation between Aus and NZ.
Speaking of refs - if we have a smaller Nats tournament we can work within our clubs to bring non-playing refs up. If we have qualifiers from some clubs for the smaller Nats then that's another chance to give refs practice.
And now that I've said this, I've got to step up and ref more.

MP

Mike Polo [TIM] Fri 19 Sep 2014 4:10AM

Totally depends on the scale of Australasians and who's going to host ? It takes a lot of work to host a combine tournie. I'm just being very mindful of the amount of work that's going to have to go into "The Worlds gig"

Do we each as reps take it too the members with a generic information document and go from there with a vote ?.

Just probing this tpoic as I want the rest of the world to say "wow Australasians got it sorted" then they'll be back for more polo !

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Ollie BNE Fri 26 Sep 2014 12:07AM

Brisbane have put our hands up to host an Australian qualifier. Two courts, maximum 24 teams. Potentially smaller city qualifiers for the big three clubs (Sydney, Melbourne and Bris). We would run a round robin over two days. No double elim. Like the French and German qualifiers.

This would make it cheaper for Perth as it's only about $4-500 for flights. As opposed to them spending $1000+ to fly to NZ. And then they would have to spend the same again for worlds.

There are many other benefits for the split but the biggest benefits are ATTENDANCE and MAN POWER.

We will have more local players traveling to worlds and playing the wild card if we split the quals.

There will be more free organisers if we split so we can focus more on worlds. Which should be our top priority.

NZ will have the chance to play top level polo at worlds, keeping the joined qualifier for that reason alone is setting ourselves up to host a poor worlds. And none of us want that.

OB

Poll Created Fri 26 Sep 2014 12:16AM

Split Worlds qualification for our region. Closed Sat 18 Oct 2014 5:33AM

Outcome
by Ollie BNE Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:22AM

No outcome as group was divided. More discussion needed as there now appears to be at least four options for going forward.

I propose that FOR 2015 ONLY we split our regions qualifiers into Aus and NZ.

As stated previously there are many disadvantages to a major AHBPC: it limits our regions organisational and travel funds, creates more work for reps and organisers who could otherwise focus on worlds, and create a distraction from worlds in our region.

I believe if we are to hose THE BEST WORLDS YET we need to have as much time, man power, attendance, input and funds as we can muster. Hosting worlds will be a regional effort. It will have a massive gain for our region as many players who cannot afford to travel to worlds and play will be able to play in the main tourney or the wild card. Negating the need for a massive open Nats to grow our region.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 25.0% 2 MP OB
Abstain 25.0% 2 JBH A[
Disagree 37.5% 3 DU DCM P
Block 12.5% 1 ST
Undecided 0% 19 N JHN ABC A S FF JB R K P[ D GG JM RV MC KJW TG BG JT(

8 of 27 people have participated (29%)

OB

Ollie BNE
Agree
Fri 26 Sep 2014 12:17AM

It will allow us more time to ficus on worlds and local players wanting to learn and play against way higher level teams can play the wild card. Or the main tourney if they qualify.

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