Loomio

request and share contacts to ease discovery

PP Pirate Praveen Public Seen by 134

One advantage centralized services have is the ability to search and find people using just their names. In diaspora we have to use their full address if were to find a person who us on a less known pod. This could be simplified by friend suggestions. We should be able to easily choose contacts and send it to friends. They should get a notification and a new aspect in contacts list as suggested friends. If we can't find a person by their names, we should be able to request our contacts in a easy format if they know the id of the person we are interested in.

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 1 Mar 2015 2:40PM

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goob Sun 1 Mar 2015 3:06PM

We should be able to easily choose contacts and send it to friends. They should get a notification and a new aspect in contacts list as suggested friends.

No, we shouldn't be able to send other people's contact details to a third party without their express permission (which seems to be what you're suggesting). This would be a complete no-no in a service which claims to provide 'privacy' and 'ownership of your own data'.

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 1 Mar 2015 3:21PM

No, we shouldn’t be able to send other people’s contact details to a third party without their express permission

@goob you can already do that - just send someone a message with another persons details!

But it seems if this is to be implemented a vote is needed. And of course any profile visibility (currently we have none) should be taken into account when, if, implementing the feature.

@praveenarimbrathod if you want this implemented, please consider creating a vote here. I'll tag the issue on github as "loomio needed".

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goob Sun 1 Mar 2015 6:34PM

Well yeh, but there's a difference between someone abusing trust on their own initiative and actually encouraging this by coding a means to do it into the software, isn't there?

PP

Pirate Praveen Mon 2 Mar 2015 2:02AM

@goob I don't think its abusing trust. This will share only people's public profiles.

PP

Poll Created Mon 2 Mar 2015 2:06AM

implement an easy way to share contacts to ease discovery Closed Tue 10 Mar 2015 1:34AM

Outcome
by Pirate Praveen Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:15AM

Withdrawing this proposal for a clearer one

We should be able to recommend a friend to share with people they might know from our contact list

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 58.3% 14 JR JL AKS M JS D JD T A G F DU T N
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 37.5% 9 FS JH G IGM SVB F W B Y
Block 4.2% 1 PP
Undecided 0% 127 JL BK ST MS TS AA S CB HF BO DM GC JH F M EG G AX PC BB

24 of 151 people have voted (15%)

PP

Pirate Praveen
Agree
Mon 2 Mar 2015 2:08AM

Yes, this will make discovering people easier

JH

Jonne Haß
Disagree
Mon 2 Mar 2015 2:15AM

Too vague (and I guess early) proposal. I'd be okay if people can prevent that or at least with limiting it to searchable people, but this is a no.

JL

Jelle Langbroek
Agree
Mon 2 Mar 2015 8:30AM

This would make it easier, especially for newcomers, to make new friends.

JR

Jason Robinson
Agree
Mon 2 Mar 2015 4:59PM

I think this is a good feature to have in a social network.

G

Globulle
Agree
Tue 3 Mar 2015 8:27AM

I miss this feature each time a friend of mine joins D*

A

Amy
Agree
Wed 4 Mar 2015 1:08PM

I like this idea. I think it'd be useful when family and friends join. I also follow people for their work, and I think it'd enrich that aspect. I don't see a privacy issue if it's easy and clear to opt out.

Y

y.semin
Disagree
Thu 5 Mar 2015 2:09PM

Like J. Haß.
A clearer idea, clearly bounded, would be much appreciable.

T

Tirifto
Agree
Thu 5 Mar 2015 8:31PM

This would be a nice feature, if done in a subtle way.

FS

Florian Staudacher
Disagree
Sat 7 Mar 2015 11:01AM

I'm not against "recommending" profiles to other people per-se, but I think we have to flesh this out some more, first.

B

bh
Disagree
Mon 9 Mar 2015 4:40AM

In fact, not necessary.

F

Faldrian
Disagree
Mon 9 Mar 2015 6:43AM

Everything in diaspora is "pull" so far - YOU determine what you want and go and get it. I don't want "push" behaviour like "Oh, this may interest you! nudge nudge"

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dremodaris
Agree
Mon 9 Mar 2015 9:58AM

Since a contact is represented by a string (their address), and sharing strings is already possible, I don't see any danger for our privacy. This is just GUI-sugar for something that is already possible but not in a practical way. Good idea.

SVB

Steffen van Bergerem
Disagree
Mon 9 Mar 2015 10:49AM

I agree with Jonne.

PP

Pirate Praveen
Block
Mon 9 Mar 2015 12:24PM

Withdrawing this proposal for a clearer one

IGM

Ivan Gabriel Morén
Disagree
Mon 9 Mar 2015 2:24PM

Very vague.. :)

JR

Jason Robinson Mon 2 Mar 2015 4:58PM

@goob I still don't see this as abusing trust - profiles being public. The actual implementation should of course follow profile visibility rules. Currently we only have a limitation on searching - maybe those can be filtered out? And if we actually had private profiles, those obviously.

DU

[deactivated account] Mon 2 Mar 2015 6:12PM

I'm not sure to really understand what this proposition is about.

PP

Pirate Praveen Tue 3 Mar 2015 2:23AM

When we visit someone's profile, there can be a link which says 'suggest contacts', which will open a popup window with contacts excluding those who chose to make their profiles not searchable (we could another option to disable this 'don't show me on suggested contacts'). We can select the contacts, like we manage aspect memberships (click to select or unselect). We can show suggested friends on right panel and also send a notification. Also a new section of suggested friends can be shown in contacts page. I don't see any abuse here as we are sharing only already public info and we are allowing people to opt out.

DU

[deactivated account] Tue 3 Mar 2015 8:08AM

Oh, it would be more or less like vcards you can send by SMS for cellphones ?

JS

Juan Santiago Thu 5 Mar 2015 8:09PM

It's a good way for new users do not feel they are in a desert and to extend the Diasora sociability.

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aj Fri 6 Mar 2015 4:18PM

in aspect settings there is "contacts in this aspect are able to see each other" toggle, but i don't recall ever seeing contacts of somebody else aspect

JH

Jonne Haß Mon 9 Mar 2015 10:33AM

Mmh, shall we give this another week?

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Faldrian Mon 9 Mar 2015 10:35AM

@jhass +1

@dremodaris this is not only GUI ... you may introduce additional notifications which a user may not want or introduce new post-types ... what is to be done is not clear from the text currently in this proposal.

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dremodaris Mon 9 Mar 2015 10:41AM

Well, if I PM you someone's address, you're notified too.

But this is a strong argument against:

Well yeh, but there’s a difference between someone abusing trust on their own initiative and actually encouraging this by coding a means to do it into the software, isn’t there?

Another week is a good idea, there was barely any discussion.

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Faldrian Mon 9 Mar 2015 10:45AM

Well, if I PM you someone’s address, you’re notified too.

Sure thing. This detail helps a lot in understanding how you imagine that feature ... was not clear from the existing text here.

I would wish for a more detailed workflow how this feature should / could work and how it would be presented to the user (and what constraints are there for this feature to work or to be allowed to work - like "people must share with each other").

PP

Pirate Praveen Mon 9 Mar 2015 11:50AM

@jhass I would like to make a clearer proposal once this closes.

Something like:

When someone visits a user who they share mutually, an option to suggest contacts should appear.

In profile settings user should be given options,
- ignore suggested contacts
- don't list me in suggested contacts

when suggest contacts option is listed on a profile, clicking on it should open a list of all contacts who chose to make their profile searchable and suggestable. Once the suggested contacts is sent, the user who receiving it should be notified. Optionally suggested contacts list could be shown on right pane. Once clicking on the notification, user should be taken to contacts page with suggested contacts shown like an aspect. User can choose to share with them.

Since the default is 'not show me in suggestions' and 'don't show me suggestions', it is an opt in. I think the privacy concern and forcing suggestions concern is addressed.

Please suggest improvements before I submit it.

JH

Jonne Haß Mon 9 Mar 2015 11:55AM

I think if we add an explicit setting, tying it to the searchable flag additionally is not only redundant but even confusing.

@praveenarimbrathod maybe you want to block your own proposal then?

PP

Pirate Praveen Mon 9 Mar 2015 12:19PM

@jhass okay, will consider only suggestable flag then. I will withdraw the current proposal then. I will set outcome as 'withdrawn for a clearer proposal'.

PP

Poll Created Tue 10 Mar 2015 5:48AM

Implement suggest contacts Closed Fri 20 Mar 2015 5:34PM

When someone visits profile of a user who they share mutually, an option to suggest contacts should appear.

In profile settings user should be given options,
- ignore suggested contacts
- don’t list me in suggested contacts

when suggest contacts option is listed on a profile, clicking on it should open a list of all contacts who chose to make their profile suggestable. Once the suggested contacts is sent, the user who receiving it should be notified. Optionally suggested contacts list could be shown on right pane. Once clicking on the notification, user should be taken to contacts page with suggested contacts shown like an aspect. User can choose to share with them.

Since the default is ‘not show me in suggestions’ and ‘don’t show me suggestions’, it is an opt in. I think the privacy concern and forcing suggestions concern is addressed.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 78.6% 11 JR PP RF BC R JS D D G DU T
Abstain 7.1% 1 DU
Disagree 14.3% 2 IGM B
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 132 JL BK ST FS MS TS AA S CB HF BO JH DM GC JH F M EG G AX

14 of 146 people have voted (9%)

PP

Pirate Praveen
Agree
Tue 10 Mar 2015 5:52AM

more detailed proposal addressing privacy concerns, it is opt in feature now.

T

Tirifto
Agree
Tue 10 Mar 2015 4:36PM

I'd say this gives a fairly good idea of how this would work, and I agree with that idea.

IGM

Ivan Gabriel Morén
Disagree
Tue 10 Mar 2015 4:50PM

I think we might do better by improving and building the overall messaging, linking and mentioning systems. Imagine if we could send links, files, profiles, profile lists or groups using the same syntax and interface? :) This should work fine though.

JR

Jason Robinson
Agree
Thu 12 Mar 2015 7:48PM

Not going too much into thinking technically, in principle, I like the idea of suggesting contacts.

DU

[deactivated account]
Disagree
Fri 13 Mar 2015 3:55PM

It should be set on 'don't allow my conatct to be sent to other people' Anyone who wants to be found should have to make that decision deliberately by clicking once to change the settings.

DU

[deactivated account]
Disagree
Fri 13 Mar 2015 3:55PM

It should be set on 'don't allow my contact to be sent to other people' Anyone who wants to be found should have to make that decision deliberately by clicking once to change the settings.

B

bh
Disagree
Fri 13 Mar 2015 4:28PM

Such functionality don't required for persons who respects them friends. And tells about them individually, not by lists.

DU

[deactivated account]
Abstain
Fri 13 Mar 2015 4:45PM

I'll watch this a bit longer, it's obviously not that easy

BC

Balasankar C
Agree
Thu 19 Mar 2015 5:27PM

Can't comment on the technicality, but I like the idea.

G

goob Fri 13 Mar 2015 4:42PM

It should be set on 'don't allow my contact to be sent to other people'

@transitionmaike that's what 'opt-in' means. See the last paragraph of the proposal.

MVD

Melroy van den Berg Wed 13 May 2015 8:21PM

I think this issue is very underestimated! I already told Fox 2 years ago. A feature to find other people around the world is the first feature you need in a social network!

I really hope somebody comes with a good implementation & protocol to do this decentralized. I have faith in Diaspora!