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Community development at the roots of society - in NZ

DU William Asiata Public Seen by 392

Let's talk about development at the grassroots of society.
- That is community building, neighbourhood social capital/capacity-building, and community development.
It is the bread & butter foundation to developing all other more complex aspects of the human body politic.

Please see a comprehensive academe introductory text attached in the first comment of this discussion thread.

AA

Alan Armstrong
Agree
Fri 1 Apr 2016 6:58PM

Needs to include ways to better inform everyone of the issues we stand for.

HM

Hubat McJuhes
Agree
Wed 6 Apr 2016 10:34AM

As a very early step towards a broader discussion towards a bottom-up deliberation process, I can agree with this proposal.

DP

David Pate Tue 29 Mar 2016 2:48AM

Agreed, sounds like participatory democracy to me :=)

DU

William Asiata Tue 29 Mar 2016 5:40AM

I have created a GitHub account here that we could begin to use for open development of any policy, idea, etc. into a formal document.

Please feel free to give it a follow and join in and contribute to any subject we have opened up discussions on in this Loomio - and please create new Git documents on subjects we've covered on Loomio that aren't on Git yet to be contributed to the Github account.

It could potentially serve as a great tool to increasingly consolidate and crystalise our ideas into better, concise, meaningful and well thought out text that will serve to precisely articulate the common vision that is developing into quality, publicly shareable information. I will add a link to the GitHub account on our Loomio frontpage so anyone can head straight to the Github policies and get an overview of what has been discussed and developed so far.

If you haven't used Github before then once you have created a personal account there is a simple tutorial you can follow that introduces you to the idea of how Github works. It is kind of an app system for version control management of information and text as it evolves and develops. Widely popular with software developers and coders, however it can just as easily be adapted for uses such as policy development and creative writing.

DU

Andrew McPherson Tue 29 Mar 2016 12:38PM

As I am completely unable to sleep at this advanced hour, I will commence working on this kind of app from my android book and ebook library before 3am.
I already have an idea for the design, and I may as well do something while I wait for appliances to finish jobs.

DS

Danyl Strype Thu 31 Mar 2016 8:12AM

I thoroughly endorse experimenting with a GIT-based system for policy development, but I would recommend GITLab for this, rather than GITHub. GITHub is built around GIT (which is free code software under the GPL), but it also includes a bunch of proprietary bits intended to help them lock in users ("easier to sell when closed"), which is unethical.

With GITLab, the whole stack is free code from top to bottom. They make money by offering a commercial hosting service for private repositories. If your repository is public, you can use GITLab's hosting gratis (free of charge), and you are free to set up your own version of GITLab and move your code there (or in this case policy) at any time.

EDIT: For the record, it turns out I was partly wrong about this. There are some proprietary features available on the official GITLab site that are not included in the free code stack that is available for setting up your own copy of GITLab. That said, I believe GITLab is still more transparent and re-usable than GITHub, for collaboration on code. The best tool I've found so far for collaborative development of documents is PenFlip.

DU

William Asiata Thu 31 Mar 2016 7:41PM

Ahh okay thanks Strypey, will make the switch.

DS

Danyl Strype Fri 8 Apr 2016 2:18AM

Great to hear you've shifted to GITLab. An example of a local group who have set up their own copy of the GITLab software is the NZ Open Source Society.

DU

William Asiata Fri 8 Apr 2016 8:26AM

A link referring to GitLab has been added to the ANZCivilSociety frontpage

PMB

Pamela M Bramley Thu 31 Mar 2016 10:11PM

The system of government as it stands today is not working for the people, by the people. The governing of the country is central to bring back fairness for all and for this reason I support any change in system that embraces the notion that the people have input into our policies and laws creating the environment and values of how we want to live in NZ

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