Should we strengthen the ETS to get rid of bogus credits and include all industry?
In 2002 the Labour government passed the Climate Change Response (Emissions Trading) Amendment Act 2008. It doesn't cover some industry (farming), and it has been criticised for allowing the purchase of bogus credits and having no base price.
idiom axiom Wed 16 Aug 2017 8:05AM
10 years. Means they are lower now than they were 10 years ago, not 30 years ago or one year ago.
Our per capita emissions peaked in 2000 and are down 10% since then.
Tane Harre Wed 16 Aug 2017 9:15AM
Per capita is not emissions. You are both talking about different units.
From my point of view the emissions should not be measured per capita. We are trying to reduce the absolute emissions of the country. Per capita allows you to say we have reduced emissions when in fact you have increased them overall due to there being more people.
Colin England Wed 16 Aug 2017 11:14PM
10 years. Means they are lower now than they were 10 years ago, not 30 years ago or one year ago.
Dude, they're up from one year ago. A year before that they were from the preceding year. Going all the way back to 1990.
That because absorption is decreasing.
I'd ask for citations but @taneharre link shows that emissions have been static over 10 years and rising over the last few. The overall trend is still up.
idiom axiom Wed 16 Aug 2017 11:35AM
Absolute total emissions are down from ten years ago.
Per capita are down 10% from their peak.
The general trends are downwards. It doesn't fit with the calamitous narrative required for draconian changes however.
Tane Harre Wed 16 Aug 2017 8:30PM
I don't know where you are getting your information from but the general trend isn't downwards at all. Also if you look at the net emissions (total emissions minus emissions absorbed) they are rising sharply.
My information is from here.
idiom axiom Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:55PM
That because absorption is decreasing. Doesn't mean emission is rising.
idiom axiom Mon 21 Aug 2017 8:01AM
Per Tane's source,
Peak emission was 83.7 in '06. In '14 it was 81.1
Peak absorption was 33.39 in '08. In '14 it 24.41.
Colin England Sat 2 Sep 2017 1:06AM
Net emissions:
1990 = 31.6
2014 = 56.69
Absorption:
1990 = 28.93
2014 = 24.41
That's an increase an increase in emissions far greater than the decrease in absorption.
idiom axiom Sat 2 Sep 2017 6:04AM
Emissions is no longer at its peak value. What does that tell you?
Colin England · Tue 15 Aug 2017 11:44PM
You didn't actually read that did you? Here, I'll quote the relevant bit for you:
And here's something a little more recent:
Yep, still going up.