Loomio
May 28th, 2019 20:13

Platform to chat

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Twicko Public Seen by 135

Hello to you all !
I have a suggestion for you: why not use a chatting platform ?
I saw that the French Pirate Party had a discord server with chatting rooms and channels for oral conversation. They also implemented a bot with custom commands for online assemblies (you can, for example, ask for an unmute with the command "o/" and give your opinion) . Their server is available here: https://discord.partipirate.org/.
Discord servers are free and we don't need to host it ourselves BUT it is not open source and everything is logged.
I also found another alternative: Riot.
It does the same as discord but it's encrypted and we will have to host it ourselves (and then, have to protect our servers from potential account stealing). It also has a lot of integrations as you can see here: https://modular.im/services/matrix-integrations but we would have to make our own bot for online assemblies instead of asking to use the french one.

What do you think about that? Let me know ! :slight_smile:

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Nino May 28th, 2019 20:20

the hackerspace HSBXL runs a riot:

ptt.hackerspaces.be

feel free to make an account :)

HgO

HgO May 28th, 2019 20:21

Hello and welcome on board ! :)

We are already using Matrix / Riot as a chat platform. You'll find the community here : https://riot.im/app/#/group/+ppbe-everywhere:matrix.org There are four chatrooms at the moment : general discussion,ITSquad, Pirates of Liège, and Conseil Citoyen

The PPBe isn't proposing a Matrix server, so it's up to you to create an account on the network ;)

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Twicko May 28th, 2019 21:57

Oh ok thank you ! :slight_smile: That would be great to have it on the homepage of the website or at another visible place

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert May 30th, 2019 17:35

I recently added it on the Dutch part of the website https://nl.pirateparty.be/contribute/
But maybe we should see if we can put it in the footer as well somehow... (where the twitter, FB and fediverse logos are)
Not sure if it's on the French version of the site? @hgo @vanecx

Lander Meeusen

Lander Meeusen May 31st, 2019 07:09

@iljabaert Suggestion: the link "Matrix" now links to the home-site. Can you make a link directly to the pirate-chats? #ppbe- ...

Lander Meeusen

Lander Meeusen May 31st, 2019 08:50

I registered on the Matrix-chats. It seems to me to be the same as a facebook-chatgroup. Except it is probably open source and more privacy-friendly.

I think a collective place to chat like this is necessary. I would leave it to local groups how they want to organize their internal communication. (e.g. the facebook chat of the Antwerp pirates.)

The problem I see in Antwerp goes also for this Matrix-chatgroup. There is no oversight. A mix between Loomio and a chat would be good. Different topics split up, different proposals and reactions split up (= Loomio), but also not having to scroll down and read through posts of 2 years ago (= Matrix/FB).

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert May 31st, 2019 20:24

You need a Matrix account and a client, so there's nothing to link to really... Or at least not that I know of without setting up more stuff.

I'm not sure if it's possible somehow to have a webclient where people can just use a guest account or smthng (well it's probably possible using IRC and a bridge, but that seems overkill and maybe not a super good user experience). I think this would be the best option since it would be an easy way to enter the room but still allow to use your own account and apps if you want to.

Another thing we could do is to install the RIOT webinterface and allow people to sign up there, but that means yet another account, so I really would like to start looking at single-sign-on solutions first then. An example of the webapp can be found at https://riot.im/app/#/welcome

HgO

HgO May 31st, 2019 21:48

I'm not sure where we could put the Matrix link in the French contribute page, because that version differs a lot from the Dutch version :/

Hmm adding icons in the footer of the theme was tricky…

Also, I would just put a link towards the community, and not to the chatrooms. Because if we create a new chatroom, we won't have to edit the page. So, it would look like that : +ppbe-everywhere:matrix.org

HgO

HgO May 31st, 2019 21:52

If you click on the link I just gave, you'll see that matrix.org allow you to connect as a guest. However, if you want to enter into a chatroom, I guess you need that the chatroom allows guests. So we would need to change the permissions of the chatrooms.

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert May 31st, 2019 21:55

adding icons in the footer of the theme was tricky…

I assumed you just overwrote the icon from another platform? :p

So we would need to change the permissions of the chatrooms.

Can we do that? I would rather not force people to make yet another account.

HgO

HgO May 31st, 2019 22:10

I assumed you just overwrote the icon from another platform? :p

Yup, but that means changing the themes files on the server. That's really cumbersome. I'll do it at some point (not tonight), but let's just hope that a theme upgrade doesn't wipe all the changes '

Ilja Baert

Ilja Baert May 31st, 2019 22:29

Okey, so the link is changed to https://riot.im/app/#/group/+ppbe-everywhere:matrix.org

positive side
* It shows the groupchats that we have
* It allows for easy sign-up
* You can easily get to the rooms once you're logged in, without the need for an app (it's in the webbrowser)

counterpoints
* It's not trivially possible to allow people to join without making an account
* yet another account
* by default, the account will be on riot.im which is already to much of a centralised hub in a supposedly decentralised system

Changing the settings of the room like @hgo proposed allowed a read-only mode, but didn't allow people to participate as guests. This also meant that everything was visible, which not everyone was comfortable with. If we want to go this direction, it'll need a separate discussion-thread so this can be resolved first.

All in all I do think it's an improvement. Thx @landermeeusen for bringing this up!