Should SilverStripe adopt Loomio as a tool for community decision making?
Cam Findlay
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We love open source at SilverStripe, it makes sense to adopt as many open source tools as possible to facilitate community discussion and decision making.
I would like to see something like Loomio adopted to help craft ideas about future direction of SilverStripe, features requests, community research into improvements we can make to help create the best community we can.
This initial proposal invites you to checkout Loomio, use it and discuss how and where we might best use this tool.
My thoughts are that it is not a replacement for our forums, but rather due to Loomio's interesting voting system could be something more like the Dev list (currently on a google group), or could be more usable for the wider community of SilverStripe users (both devs and CMS users) as a space to raise forward looking discussions (rather than Q&A, broken things etc).
Let's see where this goes.
Thanks all,
Cam Findlay
Community Awesomeness Manager
SilverStripe.org
Cam Findlay Sun 13 Jul 2014 5:19AM
Agree Sam, this current setup is a bit of a meta exploration just to test out the features of Loomio. So far I like the consensus building, agree this probably is not the tool to use for voting and working out priority of things. Once I've had a few people in the SilverStripe dev core play with this a bit we can have a discussion over on dev/core list whether we might find it useful to switch away from Google Groups and what the benefits might be.
Cam Findlay Sun 13 Jul 2014 5:23AM
Looks useful as you can change your position on something if a good argument is put forward. It also retained the history of position changes and comments on this.
Poll Created Sun 13 Jul 2014 8:20AM
We set up some example discussion stubs and invite the dev list to engage with the tool. Closed Mon 14 Jul 2014 10:09AM
Decision to setup some example discussions for community members to try out this tool has been implemented.
As a first taste of how Loomio might be useful, we will set up a number of proposals (perhaps real world ones) for the current dev list to have a go at discussion and consensus voting. This is a pilot process to determine usefulness and any concerns or barriers from our community to aid in the decision of adoption/replacement of current community knowledge spaces.
Results
| Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |
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Agree | 66.7% | 2 |
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| Abstain | 33.3% | 1 |
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| Disagree | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Block | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Undecided | 0% | 35 |
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3 of 38 people have participated (7%)
Cam Findlay
Sun 13 Jul 2014 8:21AM
I do enjoy that the flow of discussion and voting is transparent and a discussion can run through many rounds of voting to narrow down good decision making.
Sam Minnée
Sun 13 Jul 2014 8:39AM
This is good—I'd definitely use some real-world issues to give it context. Perhaps paraphrase a few recent silverstripe-dev discussions?
Cam Findlay Sun 13 Jul 2014 8:40AM
@fredcondo thanks for being an early adopter, we are going to open this up later this week to the developer list with a few useful discussions (also I'm just trialling the @ mentions).
Sam Minnée Sun 13 Jul 2014 8:45AM
Some ss-dev threads that could be useful as sample posts:
- TinyMCE 4 default toolbar https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/silverstripe-dev/h7lLVV0o77I
- Feature flags https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/silverstripe-dev/h7lLVV0o77I
- SS documentation https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/silverstripe-dev/3X8kZVSqPiY
Poll Created Fri 18 Jul 2014 3:05AM
We should replace the current dev list Google Group with Loomio. Closed Sat 19 Jul 2014 5:12AM
As mentioned in the dev list, feel free to make your opinion known about a possible replacement of Google Groups with Loomio due to it's better consensus decision making abilities and functionality.
Results
| Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |
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Agree | 33.3% | 2 |
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| Abstain | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Disagree | 66.7% | 4 |
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| Block | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Undecided | 0% | 32 |
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6 of 38 people have participated (15%)
Cam Findlay
Fri 18 Jul 2014 3:07AM
I like being able to back up discussion with a decision and action.
Sam Minnée · Fri 11 Jul 2014 3:38AM
If we were to move to Loomio, I think that it would be more a replacement of silverstripe-dev and/or silverstripe-core.