[it-squad] - about emails @pirateparty.be (mailboxes, forwards, mailing-lists)
Thierry Fenasse
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The situation
Our mails are hosted at Infomaniak and it costs now 120€ / year. They invites us to upgrade because their old tools are evolving. It is not mandatory but for instance, the antispam filter is not working nicely.
Until now they provided a single fee for multiple services and they are evolving to a «on demand price/service».
(I suppose that one day or another we will have to upgrade or change)
We use them mainly for our emails @pirateparty.be.
The website, the wiki and some other old tools are hosted by Hetzner.
The Upgrade Proposal
Is to agree to the upgrade and optimize our usage but it will cost us probably more then 120€ / year.
- Infomaniak's mailboxes price calculator
- Follow this guide to do the migration.
The Do It Yourself Proposal
Is to implement our own mail server+webmail+imap+antispam+antivirus+backup and ask our current @piratepaty.be mail users to migrate their mailboxes or keep a copy for and by themslef. This may ask more human resources, time and discussions and probably not less money neither.
- For an it-squad it is a nice chalenge and probably a long discussion about the tools. :construction_worker_tone1:
The idea is to evolve to one of those two Proposals and find a concensus about it if possible.
Thierry Fenasse Sun 16 Apr 2017 4:02PM
Regarding those the must have we forget to setup a PTR record ... now it's done.
I used mail.parley.be ... but I do not know if parley.be is better or not.
HgO Wed 26 Apr 2017 1:22PM
I know we are going towards our own mail server, but for your information yulPa (formerly Web4all) propose now a stand-alone mail service : https://yulpa.io/messagerie-zimbra-ne-mutu.html :)
Gilberto Torres Fri 19 May 2017 4:30PM
@5euro per account... WE can do it better ;)
HgO Fri 19 May 2017 5:05PM
That's not what I understand ' It's 5€ HT for a mail service with 25Go storage space.
Anyways, I guess we will discuss all that on Sunday (see https://wiki.pirateparty.be/ITSquad/Meeting/21_05_2017). We'll be glad to see you there ;)
Gilberto Torres Sun 21 May 2017 6:12PM
Hey everyone reading,
The "pita" mentioned on the previous post is a mecessary evil on every mail server running...
Best regards,Gilberto Torres
Thierry Fenasse Mon 5 Jun 2017 8:54AM
During our latest IT meeting we have installed a YuNoHost server under our parley.be domain name.
The main goal (correct me if I'm wrong) is to replace the Infomaniak provider as an SMTP server to
- send our Newsletters (like the last one nl, fr, en),
- send notifications / lost password from our Wiki,
- send notifications / lost password from our WordPress,
- send notifications / lost password from our Mastodon,
We are happy with a 10/10 result :fireworks: regarding some of the PITA/basic requierments to avoid being considered as spammers when we send mails.
Another step (requiring some contracts to be signed) is to add our mail server IP address to the Microsoft JMRP and SNDS. I do not know if it will be necessary to do the same for Google, Yahoo, Apple or any other of those corporation networks. :robot:
A secondary goal may be to replace Infomaniak for our users having a pirateparty.be mailbox.
Patrick Installé Mon 5 Jun 2017 9:33AM
Great job. I love your feedbacks. That's the pirates way of life.
HgO Tue 25 Jul 2017 9:02AM
So, I made this diagram to help me have a better view on what is the current situation in this mail mess ! :) I also made another diagram to show you what I propose as refactoring. You can see on the bottom-left things I wamt to remove ;)
I'm not sure about:
* treasure: should it be connected to finance, or a standalone ?
* merchandising and shop: do we keep them ? purpose ? connected to finance ?
* legal: purpose ?!
* having a mail per web service: overkill ?
* postmaster: what's the purpose ? difference with webmaster ?
* ahoy: should it stay empty or not ?
* get-me-in: does anybody knows what it was used for ????
Questions, remarks, objections, etc. ? :D Thanks !
Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 25 Jul 2017 10:19AM
I think the get-me-in was the form that people could fill on the Drupal website.
Shop I believe was for the webstore we had.
The "web" is a new mail you propose?
I'd also delete legal (if no particular reason to keep it) and coreteam.
ZeFredz · Sun 16 Apr 2017 3:20PM
we also have some issues with gmail and yahoo which are putting the emails from parley.be in the spam