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Wed 27 Jun 2018 9:35AM

Wouldn't cotech.coop be better than coops.tech?

JD Josef Davies-Coates Public Seen by 93

I guess it doesn't make a huge amount of different but personally I think cotech.coop would be a lot better url for CoTech than our existing coops.tech domain (more pricey though)

What do you think? Does it matter?

FT

Fabian Tompsett Sat 30 Jun 2018 5:45AM

coops.tech (our current url)

I agree with Kayleigh

SF

Shaun Fensom Sat 30 Jun 2018 1:43PM

cotech.coop

18 years ago we fought hard to get this top level domain precisely to support tech coops

JTW

James Timbrell (Co-operative Web) Wed 4 Jul 2018 8:40AM

coops.tech (our current url)

Agree with Kayleigh and Annie. tech.coop would make more sense if it was to change to a .coop domain, but that's gone and is being used already, and feel cotech.coop is too close to that.

CCC

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative) Wed 27 Jun 2018 10:14AM

I'm abstaining as I wouldn't be willing to pay for a .coop in addition to the .tech, but would be happy to setup a .coop if someone else is prepared to pay for it indefinitely and would suggest that people voting for a .coop should consider if they are willing to pay for it.

JD

Josef Davies-Coates Wed 27 Jun 2018 10:26AM

There are 109 people in this Loomio group (and the website says 34 co-ops and 264+ staff ) - frankly if we can't Cobudget the cost of .coop domain what are we playing at? :P

Even assuming the more expensive uk.domains.coop price of £96/ year (£80 + VAT) and only the 109 people on here (I wonder how many are so far in Cobudget...) that would be less than £1/ year each. Or less than £3 a year per co-op.

Personally I quite strongly feel that ALL co-ops within the CoTech network should systematically contribute something towards/ pool resources within the CoTech network (because if we don't we'll never achieve our potential) and we'd be VERY happy to pay say an absolute minimum of £5/ year to be a member (which would more than cover the cost of a .coop domain! :P )

More medium term I think realistically we should be looking at pooling %s of revenues and profits into a collective pot (e.g. members of the Valley Alliance of Worker Co-ops in the states pay dues of 0.00125% of their revenue to cover the association’s operating expenses and pool 5% of their profits into a co-operative development fund - I'd LOVE to see CoTech co-ops do something similar. Note: within the Enspiral network which inspired the creation of CoTech ventures pool much MUCH more than this, more like 5% of revenues on average, last I read)

RB

Roy Brooks Wed 27 Jun 2018 10:33AM

From a pure brand perspective - assuming of course CoTech is, first & foremost, about growing coops in the tech space and developing an awareness of cooperative technologists as a viable alternative in the world beyond beyond coops - then a .coop address is a no brainer. (And, for an identifier that shouts 'we're a cooperative' from the get go, ridiculously cheap.... Probably the cheapest marketing one can buy in fact!)

But, if CoTech is first and foremost about 'tech' then maybe not so...

And ditto:
'There are 109 people in this Loomio group (and the website says 34 co-ops and 264+ staff ) - frankly if we can't Cobudget the cost of .coop domain what are we playing at?'

G

Graham Thu 28 Jun 2018 2:47PM

As someone with a long affiliation to the .coop TLD, and aware of the enormous achievement to actually bring it into being as one of the earliest TLDs of this type I am heavily in favour of the idea that all cooperative organisations, and I include CoTech in that (as do the registry rules about .coop eligibility) should use a .coop domain. It was conceived as a trusted and trustworthy space on the internet and although I have always disagreed with the registry's pricing strategy it remians a valuable asset to our movement that we should be proud to support and adopt.

I was chatting briefly with @chriscroome on this yesterday, and the use of the .tech TLD was pursued simply becuase it was quick, cheap and available at the time. Yes, I get all the stuff about brand and migration and all that, and this is all do-able stuff. My co-op would be willing to controbute equitably towards costs, and I would be personally happy to get stuck into organising the nitty gritty of setting up an annual membership subscription to create the common pool, as a positive step towards deeper cooperation among CoTech organisations.

SG

Simon Grant Wed 4 Jul 2018 10:57AM

Just to mention to all incl. @jamestimbrell (you probably saw) that http://tech.coop/ most recent news is from April 2011 "Due to a lack of Directors, The Tech Co-op is no longer in operation. Please contact Chris Palecek at 604-729-8536 if you require technical support." so maybe it would be possible to persuade them to part with the domain name...

AC

Aptivate Cooperators Wed 4 Jul 2018 11:00AM

Also looks like it expires in March next year, which isn't an awful
amount of time to wait for a coop network decision, assuming we can
snipe it :-)

Aptivate could stump up the first year of domain costs if that
helps!

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