Loomio
Sun 26 Nov 2017 12:50AM

Tuva Er Rai Melik

DK Dakota Kaiser Public Seen by 218

Discuss details of the Exile.

BAW

Bret A Warshawsky Sun 26 Nov 2017 1:03AM

Obviously, from outside of HQ, this is surprising. It seemed Er was in full swing participating just few hours ago, but I understand how things flow. This feels important to work with consciously. I will stay alert for further explanations. Remember, we also have the Embodiment team to help when/if that can provide any extra levels of healing and support.

DK

Dakota Kaiser Sun 26 Nov 2017 1:08AM

Thank you Bret. We tried to have a session with you and him and the embodiment team several times. Tuva has a good heart, a good soul, and a heavily tormented brain. We wish him the best and pray for his healing.

BAW

Bret A Warshawsky Sun 26 Nov 2017 1:43AM

I'm sorry if I missed any requests or messages about having a session. I have been a bit inward and occupied the past couple of weeks with work, travel, and dental appts. I am surprised that no one else from the team was available. Unless, you meant that you tried to have a session with him and Embodiment Team and/or me and it was not something he wanted therefore didn't happen? Can you clarify for me so we can address what went 'wrong' in me and no one being available.. . I don't recall receiving any tags/Dms/or messages about having a session. I would be disappointed in my self if we/embodiment team were requested and did not answer the call.

D

Ārya-siddhānta dāsa Sun 26 Nov 2017 1:10AM

I arrived at circle of children just as these issues were under way. My experience of what Tuva was creating in a campaign against the Earth Nation Coordinators and their agreements was on the level of treason and I took it upon myself to call out several serious issues that I was personally witness to.

#1 - Tuva gossiping and creating a bad vibe against Dakota and Lila specifically and especially in their absence. With a complete lie that he was not doing so in a meeting just afterward. Followed by the next day conspiring with other members he was gossiping with and them all saying that they didn't give importance to what was said in the meeting and they would be dismissing the efforts made. I found this to be quite treasonous

#2 - Tuva having almost no work ethic. He was hardly working on any projects at all, and when he did I felt they were not critical to the Earth Nation current outline and off topic often.

#3 - I feel he was caught in a lie about a crystal that went missing, which he later found.

#4 - When he was threatened by my bringing transparency from the group he displayed being threatened and wanted me to stop. I feel he stopped me before I got to some of the more important points one of which I will list below.

#5 - He was contacting important members and bad mouthing Dakota and acting like he was trying to resolve their issues in a rogue fashion. It seemed to be a ploy to pre-emptively start getting people on his side or the coming issues that he would be raising.

#6 - He was contacting the Circle of Children corrdinators and creating a rift between the Circle of Children and Earth Nation.

TER

Tuva Er Rai Melik Sun 26 Nov 2017 5:28AM

Such toxicity. Which is why i left the EN. Then they chose to exile me. And will happily provide explanation to anyone who wishes to understand. Those who have actually been at HQ the last couple weeks, which has not been Dakota and Lila, adressing the lists of messes and poor decisions made by our "Leaders" know the truth. I am happy to announce that i will be facilitating events at the Triangle Lake Retreat Center and have been invited to participate as a core member of the team! Due to my showing up and caring , and putting out numerous fires that our "Leaders" have created. I am devoted to truth. And that is where i will rest.

AK

Alexis Kegel Sun 26 Nov 2017 7:00AM

I am less concerned with leaders who make messes and "poor decisions" and more concerned with leaders who will not be held accountable or look at their actions within a circle. It is hard not to spill some milk when one is multitasking on such a grand scale. It's a lot to juggle and I don't expect perfection. That's what coleadership is about...we all have to hold each other up and in integrity.
Synchronistically I have a visit planned with those making this proposal tomorrow and I feel we have a lot to be with together. I would like to request a Unitive Justice Circle regarding this experience. Tomorrow I will try to work with the proposal to use this model and explain why I feel it would work so well for this situation. I also want to play with the embodiment team to create a synergy for this. It will not be essential for Tuva to be present for the circle if he refuses, however I feel it would be beneficial so I am calling him in. With this model, we focus on discovering mutually beneficial actions, and regardless of his presence or not, this can bring the critical issues to proper light. I feel that all willing participants involved with EN and this resulting proposal need to hear and be heard with facilitation and transparency.
Unitive Justice is not about assigning guilt. It is about finding the underlying brokenness that contributed to and created the situation. That way we can all use our brilliant creative heart-minds to figure out together what the best next steps are. I will weave with the leaders who are willing to come to council in transparency, humbleness and peace. I pray this can all come out on the table in the most graceful, diplomatic and loving way so we can heal what is broken and move on with ease. I know we can do it.

AK

Alexis Kegel Sun 26 Nov 2017 4:37AM

Wow. This is very sad and yet I know it is part of growing pains and can provide necessary experience and wisdom for the continuing strength and integrity of Earth Nation when we handle it with love and compassion. I am standing in awe of what I am personally reflecting on, am learning, and will be learning as this process unfolds.
I (we) face the crucial lesson of discovering how to traverse the lines between discernment and gossip. Inclusion and exile. I am attempting to carefully approach this with my perspective, which I want to share but also only share what is necessary to shed light on the situation and not bring harm. I believe in transparency... but where is the line between transparency and gossip? Please guide me tribe... I want to share my past experience... have been wanting to since I knew of Tuva's immersion into such a potent project, but I held my tongue in order to give him space to have a new experience with those who could help guide his great passions in a positive direction. Unfortunately, it seems much that I would have shared in my concerns has manifested in ugly ways and I feel now the voice in my own head saying, "I told you so." I will now try to say some of what I wanted to share previously, so that perhaps we can all help each other see clearly and reflect on the best way to mend the underlying brokenness of the situation. Together I believe and trust that we can create the most mutually beneficial actions.
About 5 or 6 years ago I was in a romantic partnership with Tuva and experienced him in numerous negative business, project and production collaborations where he was out of integrity and never made amends. He just left and went off to do the similar projects under new names somewhere else (and this seems to be a pattern). We had a tumultuous separation in which both of us acted from a place of hurt and painful reaction. The details need not be mentioned at this time. Over the years we experienced forgiveness and love in our communication, though I have always tried to hold him accountable for some of his behaviors and actions and we have discussed them many times over the years. Here's why this is relevant:
Tuva introduced me to the Earth Nation. He knew I would resonate as I have been working on a similar project, and indeed he was correct. He invited me to the Triangle Lake Center where I saw him for the first time in many years and I got to meet the HQ core team. I was stoked! Aaaaaaaand concerned. I also resonated deeply with the no gossip but yes discernment policy and began mulling over whether any of the past warranted a discernment discussion. Then he announced that he had brought on a parcel of land into the EN ecocommunties belonging to someone we had worked for together who never paid us. I brought up that I had a concern with Lila and Dakota when we were together at the Permaculture Convergence, but I only really got to the point of sharing that I had concerns and asking for guidance around discernment vs. gossip. In the big energies of what we were accomplishing onsite, I believe we got swept up in the beautiful onslaught of onboarding that was happening and never returned to the discussion. I also knew that that conversation would likely open up the whole can of worms and was not yet mentally prepared for what that may entail, so I didn't push it. They must have mentioned it to him upon returning, because Tuva then came to me upset that I had brought this up at all because "people change". We had a good discussion about discernment and he assured me that he was in complete control of the property now and our previous employer would not even be involved so there was no need to worry. This did not make me feel secure in regards to its stewardship or EN relationship for apparent reasons. I also told him the only reason I did not share my concerns about his involvement in Earth Nation was because I was holding great space for him to change and do it differently, and it appeared he may have found a group to foster this. These are all things (and a great deal more) that I have said directly to him. This is why I feel comfortable sharing this.
I apologize for the length of this and if you feel I say too much and appreciate all of your time taking this journey with me. This is going so deep. I must be cautious in which layer I am addressing, and there is so much to reflect on. I will try to wrap it up here by saying this. I have an opinion that I recognize may be biased by my experience and yet I also feel I have insight to share on the nature of what is transpiring and I would like to offer my full support in the process.
My opinion is that Tuva does have a great heart, deep magick and large passion that could very well be directed to serve the greater good in amazing ways, yet he has not addressed and/or healed the underlying brokenness which keeps him in repeating patterns of harmful and destructive collaborations. He seems to me to be more concerned with being an avatar of leadership than actually doing the necessary work and actions to support this image. I believe him to be a Trickster of sorts (if you resonate with that terminology) and within his involvement, there are great reflections and lessons to gather. He is here to show us something. I love Tuva very much. I believe we can all see ourselves in some of his behaviors and that can be crucial to look at in these times for our own refinement. I know as a community we can find ways to support (t)his transformation if we are and he is willing to go on that journey.
I see that this is coming to a giant head for him and now is the time again where he either comes into integrity and heals it or continues to play Trickster and gets himself continually exiled from projects and communities. And in regards to that, I propose we change the terminology. I do not like "exiled". I think this feels shameful, harsh and unsupportive of those who may need the the community most to work through their issues with, reflect, and grow so they can become their most potent self. Of course I understand they must be willing and in extreme cases where there is no willingness or acknowledgment of the issue this must be done. I just prefer something more like "quarantined". We recognize there is a dis-ease that is causing harm, so until it is healed and no more threat of spreading is evident, we "quarantine" his involvement. This language recognizes that we can also be checking in to provide space, tools, resources and specialists that can aide in his healing while he remains at a safe distance. Exile has not worked for us in the past, as he has either been self-exiled or energetically exiled from many relationships, communities and collaborations and then moved on to drain the energy of yet another activated group of super potents. Together we can stop the cycle of spreading pain bodies. We must transmute them whenever possible. Thank you all for your open minds and hearts. May we continue to create the reality we know in our hearts. One Love.

P

Prism Sun 26 Nov 2017 8:04PM

I like the "quarantined" idea! My read was also exactly the same as Alexis in regards to what is happening in his inner world.

TER

Tuva Er Rai Melik Sun 26 Nov 2017 5:54AM

and i never heard anything about an embodiment session until today... for tha "record"

AK

Alexis Kegel Sun 26 Nov 2017 5:58AM

I feel this is a crucial point to be investigated. I do not believe we should exile anyone without a council "embodiment session" If all claim that they have been willing to hold council, than one should be held now if at all possible. I can offer facilitating a Unitive Justice Circle and I am not yet familiar with how the Embodiment Team handles these situations, but I believe this should be first course of action now that it's more clearly out on the table that there is an issue.

Load More