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Sat 8 Feb 2020 4:29AM

Should Social.coop start a DAO?

NS Nathan Schneider Public Seen by 57

One of the things I'm most hopeful for about Social.coop is that it might continue to be a testbed for new experiments in cooperative technology. Already we have the first (that I know of) cooperative instance of Mastodon and are a pioneering example of a Virtual Coop. Here's another opportunity.

Ori Shimony of the blockchain-based tech co-op Dorg has offered to set up a DAO (distributed autonomous organization) for Social.coop with their technology. This could be an alternative mechanism, alongside our existing mechanism, for members to join and participate in Social.coop. Ori writes:

For social.coop, I could launch a simple DAO with any interested participants as equal voting members. Then they could vote on proposals to add new members, and manage any funds that were put in the DAO. We could start on testnet so that no one has to purchase any ETH.  I’m not sure if that will be of interest to a group that’s not actively managing funds, but let me know what you think.

We are actually actively managing funds:)

What do y'all think?

AS

Alvaro Solache Sat 8 Feb 2020 3:05PM

I don’t see problems to use Daos & Disco each franework has his functions. daos can be used to save funds and allocate resources of the coop, disco can be the framework pf how to behave and the values to follow. Anyway Disco is also something quite theorical for me cause when it commes to real legal life it has to be defined as a Different entities in each country a user forms part. the good research for me should be how a community driven DAO can help discos . Even if disco creators think daos are evil. Join the enemy to control him.

i use blockchain in my day to day live with wallets and dapps and i don,t se devil there. We are the Devils when make bad use of our talents. Big hug

JB

Jonathan Bean Sat 8 Feb 2020 6:53PM

@Nathan Schneider I strongly recommend to everyone to read the DisCO Distributed Cooperative manifesto at disco.coop.

It is a well developed set of values and principles and procedures to operate a DAO with cooperative values, it is also a very good critique of what is wrong with traditional DAO culture and structures and how to make it better. I would also suggest that we not use Ethereum but use our own blockchain-based on our values and not be subject to a speculative currency like Ether. We mostly trust our members for the use case for a DAO for us is not strong, because a DAO is for a trustless architecture amongst those that do not trust each other, although we are trusting a lot of people and platforms like this platform.
I do recommend that we help The Guerilla Media collective and @Stacco Troncoso in developing their system to use as well. I am still in the process of understanding the governance model that they have been using successfully to operate their distributed Coop, but it is something we should emulate if we really want this distributed cooperative social media platform to multiply and scale with coop values.

Edit: the website was not loading so I attached it.

MN

Matt Noyes Sat 8 Feb 2020 7:12PM

https://cmci.colorado.edu/medlab/2019/10/20/stacco-troncoso-disco.html
@Nathan Schneider's interview with Stacco Troncoso

AS

Alvaro Solache Sun 9 Feb 2020 7:13AM

+1 With the crew of resco.io we are focused on find the best legal framewoek for open a coop in Catalunya and then maybe in Buenos Aires with inspirations like the Fairshare Model and the Disco model, understanding DAOS like a piece of code that can automate few processes related with value accounting and tokens issuance. That values are already in the DNA of our mission

MN

Matt Noyes Sat 8 Feb 2020 7:17PM

This is a sidetrack, not meant to distract from Nathan's helpfully provocative question which is about DAO, but how about a Social.Coop Reading Group session on the DisCO Manifesto? It seems like a number of us are wrestling with it and could benefit from sharing of questions and thoughts...

LS

Leo Sammallahti Sat 8 Feb 2020 8:14PM

Great idea. Consider combining it to do a bit of fundraising for Social COop through WeCo grant :). For every user who takes part in the discussion, we donate 1$ to Social Coop :).

M

mike_hales Sat 8 Feb 2020 8:35PM

I would join a reading group session on DisCO. There’s a lot to read, and what you see depends on what you read. These two will give quite distinct senses of what DisCO feels like -
https://wiki.guerrillamediacollective.org/index.php/Distributed_Cooperative_Organization_(DisCO)_Governance_Model_V_3.0

https://disco.coop/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/DisCO_Manifesto-v1-1.pdf

The Model3.0 is sober, a working spec, for operational use. The Manifesto is very colourful, evocative, tilting at windmills. Read both? Or if just one, the Model.

NS

Nick Sellen Sat 8 Feb 2020 9:58PM

I would be interested too, I've spent the last two or three weeks on-and-off working my way through it, following the many many links (and more links from those links, etc... computer slowing down with all the tabs open), and making notes, etc... (and only got half way through! I'm kinda slow...).

This thread was where I first came across it.

MN

Matt Noyes Sat 8 Feb 2020 10:27PM

great thread

MN

Matt Noyes Sat 8 Feb 2020 10:28PM

I found this interview useful for the commons and p2p background, and the relation to M15: https://teamhuman.fm/episodes/ep-68-stacco-troncoso-the-commons-is-the-glue/

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