Parent group ability to remove sub-group

Seems like a permission that could be added; I can't think of a reason to not give parent group coordinators that ability.

Like everything else though, it'll be something that's looked at after 1.0 is stable. :)

I think the creation of sub-groups should be the task of the group coordinators only. This will help them coordinating the flow of the group.

At the end loomio features should defines certain governance model, by choosing certain options.

Here is a nice story from the field about how groups governance model effects it's thrive and productivity

http://www.ic.org/radical-governance-changes-in-two-north-american-ecovillages/ ( http://www.ic.org/radical-governance-changes-in-two-north-american-ecovillages/ )

I like that coordinators can allow all members to create subgroups, if they want that flexibility. However, the inability to remove subgroups created by inactive members is a real problem; thanks @lbjoum for pointing that out.

I suppose it might be ideal to allow inactive subgroups to be "Hidden" or archived in some reversible way. Generally speaking, I'm resistant to deletion of other people's content.

@waelalsaad , I found that link about varied revisions of consensus and supermajority governing models to be very enriching; thanks for sharing!

Group owners absolutely need to be able to have some long term ownership over sub-groups, otherwise trolls could start absurd sub-groups that would be out of control.

The tricky thing is that good permissions in terms of keep groups tidy and allowing needed admin sometimes comes into conflict with subgroup privacy and autonomy.

For example, I'm a coordinator of this Loomio Community Group. But there are subgroups I'm not even a member of (and don't want to be, because I don't need their notifications, etc), and shouldn't be (because they have sphere of decision-making stakeholding that doesn't include me).

So could we somehow give parent group coordinators the ability to delete subgroups without making them have to be a member of the subgroup?

Thanks @alanna

I would not interfere in an active subgrouo but in our case they are inactive and perhaps only have one member - the creator. We have tried contacting the creator with no success. In future we will try to embed an inactive member so that we have access if needed. Having obsolete subgroups in our loomio page structure is an inconvenience and a nuisance. We are working on consolidating our subgroups for a less fractured structure. ATM we have more subgroups than active members.

If we were able to gain access as coordinating members we could resolve the problem.

I raised the subject here because I thought others might have the same problem.

@jameskiesel you mentioned a permission could be added to address this. How would that work? Would it mean that the parent group coordinator would also have to be a member of the subgroup?

I don't think so. It's easy enough to say

"is a coordinator of the subgroup or is a coordinator of the parent group" in the permissions file.

@alanna , I mentioned some reticence regarding deletions in one comment above. I'd like to clarify that now.

The ability to permanently delete things is metaphorically like having a gun, regardless of whether one wants a gun or not. The ability to 'Hide' things, by contrasts, is like having a nice nonlethal weapon. The use of 'Hide' can be subject to subsequent group consensus discussion.

This relates a great deal to my personal experience administering a very active and feisty fb discussion group. While we barely ever delete or hide anything, the specter of deletion is always present. I prefer to minimize the chances of personal irreversible mistakes.