Loomio
Fri 28 Jul 2017 3:22AM

Stop the export of dairy and red meat.

TH Tane Harre Public Seen by 86

According to the OECD the contribution of New Zealand's agricultural sector accounted for 49% of our climate change emissions in 2014. The highest share in the OECD. This is for a sector that accounts for 5% of our GDP.

Stopping the export of dairy and meat (no export in ten years) is the only way I can think of to meet this target and still remain out of recession. I have done some initial calculations here. They are incomplete, but I wonder whether the party should support this as a policy.

JR

Josh Rich Wed 2 Aug 2017 12:47AM

Where do the cows get their carbon from?

Air (CO2) -> plants (Grass) to cows.

IA

idiom axiom Wed 2 Aug 2017 1:07AM

Yus, so Cows are carbon Neutral. They get their carbon from the air and return it to the air.

Getting energy from the sun is exploiting an off-Earth resource. The Sun is not on Earth.

TH

Tane Harre Wed 2 Aug 2017 1:39AM

Cows are not carbon neutral as much of the gas they output is methane. CH4 is 20x more effective as a GHG than CO2.

IA

idiom axiom Mon 31 Jul 2017 10:13PM

Going to argue with the second law of thermodynamics?

The Earth is an open system innit. "Sustainability" means exploiting off-Earth resources instead of the more limited supply we have here.

CE

Colin England Wed 2 Aug 2017 12:17AM

Going to argue with the second law of thermodynamics?

Nope.

But there's enough carbon on Earth to sustain life. Just needs energy and that comes from the sun.

"Sustainability" means exploiting off-Earth resources instead of the more limited supply we have here.

Even the off-Earth resources are limited and so current practices extended outwards from Earth would still be unsustainable.

And I'm all for mining the Moon.

IA

idiom axiom Wed 2 Aug 2017 3:30AM

They also exhale shit tonnes of water vapour which will be the death of us all.

TH

Tane Harre Wed 2 Aug 2017 5:19AM

Most of that would be covered by water in/water out. If they breathed in water and breathed out H2O2 then yes, it could be the death of us all but they don't so no need to worry.