Loomio
October 22nd, 2018 19:26

Keeping the space more clear of big stuff

Jorån Kikke
Jorån Kikke Public Seen by 164

It's good to have a bit of space to build projects in, and it's good to store some projects in the space. But stored projects can become forgotten and start to take over which means there's much less space for everyone.

Lets try and figure out a system which is easy to understand and makes more of a balance between these things

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke October 22nd, 2018 19:37

we could use lines / stripes of color on the floor to make out "this is a clearspace" areas

Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking started a proposal October 22nd, 2018 22:22

charge for storage Closed 11:02am - Tuesday 30 Oct 2018

every member (currently) gets an equivalent bin-sized space on the shelves. however there are also lots of massive piles o’ junk belonging to folks that are preventing new members from getting space to put their bins. a cluttered space may also scare away new members. proposed: if you want more storage, there are areas set aside for rental for large projects at a rate of around $15 per week

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Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking October 22nd, 2018 22:26

the pathway to the light switch is also blocked and the emergency exits are almost blocked too! the garage door is also completely blocked. all these things are understandable but unacceptable.

baptiste

baptiste October 22nd, 2018 23:03

First we can politely ask everyone who have stuff from projects they do not currently work on to store them elsewhere ( targeting myself here as part of people ), and giving them some time (1 week? 2 weeks?) to do so. Following the same idea, can we add outdoor storage (neat shelters like the ones found in garden) outside Hackland?

DU

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Agree
October 23rd, 2018 00:18

Perhaps the price could reflect size & demand - small slots cheaper, and if noone is using it make it cheaper too?

DU

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Agree
October 23rd, 2018 00:19

Perhaps the price could reflect size & demand - small slots cheaper, and if noone is using it make it cheaper too? This might be too hardbto admin?

Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking October 23rd, 2018 00:19

i think the angry neihbour would hate this outside storage thing

Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking October 23rd, 2018 00:19

we could give every member storage space credits and if they don’t use them they can trade them to other members

Courtenay Gasking

Courtenay Gasking October 23rd, 2018 00:20

there’s only so much space so who decides that someone’s big project gets priority over others?

Helena

Helena
Disagree
October 23rd, 2018 06:52

This is hard to enforce and can’t be enforced by everyone (needs someone with access to accountants check). While an storage area with labelled items and dates can be „policed“ by any member.

Jan Huwald

Jan Huwald
Disagree
October 23rd, 2018 11:16

Current space abuse is already in violation of the established group norm. I doubt that asking space wasters to pay for future space wasting is going to stop people from littering the space.
I think this mostly is a communication issue. Hence I prefer there colourful lines to fence non-clutter spaces. Also colour! We could also colour-code or label dangerous areas or places that are supposed to to be protected from dust. Or just print a manual for the space of the floor.

baptiste

baptiste
Disagree
October 23rd, 2018 21:07

I like the idea very much and keen to test it for a bit BUT before we roll it out could we decide on 1/ What space could we offer for large projects, since currently there is very little free? and 2/ How do we enforce people to pay for their space / move it out when they don't?

baptiste

baptiste October 23rd, 2018 21:09

What if we start reorganising "Stackland" upstairs and build more shelves?

baptiste

baptiste started a proposal October 23rd, 2018 21:11

Making a day to build more shelves upstairs and put labels on things Closed 10:02am - Wednesday 31 Oct 2018

Perhaps we could start a project to build shelves upstairs (or scavenge some) and get more storage space out of the room upstairs? Then label stuff?

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Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke
Agree
October 23rd, 2018 21:47

more storage is always great

kitkate

kitkate
Abstain
October 23rd, 2018 21:50

Abstaining because I'm not around. Seems reasonable though

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke started a proposal October 23rd, 2018 22:00

Tape zones onto the floor Closed 10:02am - Wednesday 31 Oct 2018

Outcome
by Jorån Kikke October 30th, 2018 21:18

We have begun experimenting with just tape!

I think the other proposals need zones anyway, so lets zone the floor with wild colors

Maybe two different zones 'NO OVERNIGHT CLEARWAY' which is just for working on stuff while you're there and should be clear of everything overnight

and different color 'STORAGE ZONE' which is limited in size and for labelled stuff with your phone number, name and date

Clearway zones:
I think in front of the rollerdoor and stairs is 'clearway'
beside the CNC to the light is clearway
in front of the toilet is clearway

Storage Zone:
Maybe in the space freed up by the Injection Moulder leaving, to the wall

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DU

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Disagree
October 23rd, 2018 22:05

Paint is pretty permanent. What about: paint wild colours (maybe 50cm or 1 meter squares) then use tape & signs to indicate which squares are which zones. Tape & signs can be more easily changed

Robbie Cameron

Robbie Cameron
Agree
October 23rd, 2018 22:48

Sam Coughlin

Sam Coughlin
Agree
October 24th, 2018 01:36

kitkate

kitkate
Abstain
October 25th, 2018 17:33

kitkate

kitkate
Agree
October 25th, 2018 17:33

Robbie Cameron

Robbie Cameron
Abstain
October 28th, 2018 22:41

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke
Abstain
October 29th, 2018 05:23

I think it makes sense to try the 'free storage but must have name +++ date' area down stares along with a premium paid storage area upstairs in the back room

Jan Huwald

Jan Huwald
Agree
October 29th, 2018 06:23

Jan Huwald

Jan Huwald
Agree
October 29th, 2018 06:25

Shelf all the things. Iteration 0: Just clearing the pile of things next to the stack of things should liberate a shelf worth of space.

Helena

Helena
Agree
October 29th, 2018 09:19

Like it because if we realise the clearzones need to be somewhere else, we can change it

Helena

Helena
Agree
October 29th, 2018 09:19

Helena

Helena
Agree
October 29th, 2018 09:28

Edit: I think we can give people the option to pay more for storage but I generally feel like we shouldn’t become a storage facility. Suggestion: First option is free storage for active projects in marked zone. If x time passes (8weeks?) members can point project out and suggest storage option.
Original: This is hard to enforce and can’t be enforced by everyone (needs someone with access to accountants check). While an storage area with labelled items and dates can be „policed“ by any member.