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Thu 5 Apr 2018 7:17AM

Did you ask for your Manna basic income ?

CP Christophe Parot Public Seen by 364

Manna is distributing an unconditional basic income to everybody asking for it. You only have to register at
https://www.mannabase.com/?ref=b24167de4e
with my referral code :)
Then you can go on working on your preferred open source app, you know you will be pay each month. Manna is already distributing a basic income to more than 30,000 people in the world. Your online wallet will allow you to send or receive Manna from other participants.

CP

Christophe Parot Tue 1 May 2018 10:12AM

@strypey Let's imagine that I am announcing Libre Office, the new open source office suite, and I get a "it is a scam" or "too good to be true" answer, I would be surprised too. I am not selling anything, I am only announcing a new opensource currency displayed as a basic income. It is open source, it means you can try it for free and if you like it, you contribute to the project. If you don't like it, you don't use it and you don't pay anything. I did not ask any payment in fiat currency, this is why I am surprised about the "it is a scam" answer.
I understand that a new decentralized currency can be surprising for people who do not understand the purpose of a currency. Your reference to Greaber's book is a good one, I will add the money&society MOOC from IFLAS http://iflas.blogspot.fr/2014/12/money-and-society-mooc.html as another good one.
Is Manna a viable way of improving the economy ? if we can build trust around this new currency, yes, I think so. I noticed that you are a promoter of a besic income in another loomio group, so you already are convinced about the interest of a basic income. Because you have read Greaber, you also have understood that $ and € are not fair and carry a lot of social violence within them. So let try another currency. because you are a member of this group promoting opensource solutions, let's try an open source currency.

GC

Greg Cassel Tue 1 May 2018 5:26PM

I think that the concept of an open source currency with a UBI carries a lot of potential. However, I'm very skeptical about beginning to directly participate in any online system without knowing all of the pertinent details first.

For example I wouldn't get involved in a new currency without knowing precisely who governs it and how they make decisions, among many other things.

CP

Christophe Parot Wed 2 May 2018 6:56AM

You are right and all these questions are explained in the white paper.

DS

Danyl Strype Tue 1 May 2018 6:39PM

Let’s imagine that I am announcing Libre Office, the new open source office suite, and I get a “it is a scam” or “too good to be true” answer, I would be surprised too.

Let me offer a different analogy. Let's say I posted on this group about the new Arbor basic income. The token is called a leaf, and everyone can get their share of leaves by downloading them from the nearest tree. Anyone can sequence the DNA of the tree their leaves come from, so the code is open source. Would you be excited and head out to download your leaves?

Who accepts Manna currency? What goods and services can be bought with it? I can download LibreOffice, type some documents, make a spreadsheet etc so it's useful to me without anyone else having to be involved. As Graeber says in Debt, money is only useful is there is a social agreement that is has value, and people accept it in exchange for scarce goods.

I did not ask any payment in fiat currency, this is why I am surprised about the "it is a scam" answer.

FarceBook don't ask us for fiat currency either, neither do goOgle or the birdsite or any of the other datafarms. Instead they make money selling our personal data. As others have already pointed out, we're asked to enter a lot of such data to claim our Manna tokens. On the net, that's the same a being asked for money, or worse.

I am not selling anything, I am only announcing a new opensource currency displayed as a basic income.

The link you posted here looks a lot like a reseller link of some kind, not just a straight link to an information page. So the impression I get is a business with no real product, and a multi-level marketing structure. Hmm. You interested in buying a bridge? ;-P

DS

Danyl Strype Wed 2 May 2018 7:25AM

You are right and all these questions are explained in the white paper.

Great, so you can give us answers to them here, with links to the
relevant sections of the white paper, yes?

CP

Christophe Parot Wed 16 May 2018 1:52PM

My experience as a teacher is that if students are not ready to make an effort, it is not useful to chew their work.