"Quiet times" during Kiez Burn

Just a small comment on "3 different quiet hours for 3 different zones" - this will be very difficult to enforce, and will mean Wonderers (Rangers) will have to run back and forth to chase people and tell them to put it a bit down, explain etc... It's not fun to have your shift turning into a bad-cup mission. It sounds complicated to me.

There is a lot of importance to the work of Site Planning etc and there will be a lot of noise most of the time, therefore the difference and significance of putting your tent here, or there. But, I also believe that having COMPLETE quiet times are essential for the well-being and balance of the event and its participants.

I do not disagree with having a complete quiet times time, although I personally disagree with that rule on the Saturday and Sunday morning for the big sound camps, but I guess that can decided during a final decision making process or so,

but that does not influence my point about the 3 different zones, I think. I believe having different zones, will make things easier.
- The quiet zone is quite limited, if someone starts squeeching about loud music, and there is a complaint, then that can be easily dealt with "this is a quiet zone, dont bother the kinderkiez like that" (or so)
- the semi-loud zone: if there are complaints of super loud music at 5am in a semi-loud area, I feel that should help Rangers enforce the peace: "dude, your Kiez is in the semi-loud area, dont be dicking around like that", somethign like that

==> I feel this would give more power to the rangers/wonderers to help ppl with complaints or distress.

to make things even more complicated, the definitions of "quiet", "reduced sound", "loud sound" should be/would need to be well defined (# of decibels?) to make it reasonable to regulate

I would argue that we are dealing with two different aspects of necessary noise-reduction here...
1) lowered volume of surrounding music for not disturbing workshops/sleep:
This is something that can principally be arranged for sure without "quiet hours" by help of clever site planning, speaker adjustment and programming. However, even taking size of the area and Waldo's welcomed efforts into account, I am not sure that it will work out due to the human factor. My argument is similar to Daniel's, I have my doubts wether people will stick to arrangements. However, I regard this point of minor importance anyway.

2) no noise at all for some hours a day in order to keep people's psyche healthy during th eburn.
This is something people often do not consider in such a discussion, cause effects of permanent noise on health work on a subperceptual level. So this is not about "annoyance" but about getting rid of a subperceptual stress factor. There are enough scientific studies which show that continous noise of even mediocre volume (not to speak of steady bass vibrations) for more than 24h is detrimental for health and causes stress and aggression. This is why according laws for night life workers restrict allowed working hours in venues with music. How can I be a self-reliant burner and care for my own health in this respect on Kiezburn without quiet hours? Answer: Only by leaving the area for some hours or sleep somewhere else. Do we want to force self-reliant people visiting our festival to make that choice? That's why I suggest 4 quiet hours a day in the morning, because this is the time when least people want music anyway. In my view such a measure is not taking away self-responsibility from people at all. Instead it is giving it back to them. Because steady bass propagated through the ground cannot be self-reliably stopped, even not by earplugs. It is enforced upon people.

Steffen (Welfare lead)

I added your proposal on #2 to the description on top
Question: when would those 100% quiet hours be? 7am to 11am?

I would suggest 7-11, but one could also go for 6-10 or 5-9 or 8-12. that appears to me a matter of taste.
I might also add that I am an enthusiast for open air festivals with loud bassy music since 20 years. Most open air festivals I know of have recently invented quiet hours for god reasons.

Sunrise is at 4:40 am. So I think even 6 am would be okay as a 1:20 sunrise set would still be fine and it's getting more difficult to sleep in a tent the warmer it gets.

I hope we can build a nice shade over our tents :D

Amen number 2) @stefanapel <3 :) - and I repeat, I am a raver, music and noise lover :P (Alina)

6 to 12 please 😈🙃😍😎