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Steffen van Bergerem Public Seen by 84

There are several issues / feature requests on github affecting the #tags view. Let's discuss and vote which we want to implement/drop.

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Steffen van Bergerem started a proposal Mon 13 Jan 2014

Drop the number of followers from the tags page Closed Mon 20 Jan 2014

Outcome
by Steffen van Bergerem Tue 25 Apr 2017

We will drop the number of followers from the tags page

Agree - 13
Abstain - 13
Disagree - 13
Block - 13
18 people have voted (11%)
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Steffen van Bergerem
Agree
Mon 13 Jan 2014

I don't think that it is important to know how many users are following a tag on your own pod. For some tags we even display the wrong number.

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Jonne Haß
Agree
Mon 13 Jan 2014

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goob
Agree
Mon 13 Jan 2014

I strongly agree - I think it's an irrelevant detail and would look better without this figure - especially where it's inaccurate!

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Adrenalin
Agree
Mon 13 Jan 2014

MM

Marek Marecki
Agree
Mon 13 Jan 2014

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NicoAlto
Abstain
Mon 13 Jan 2014

KAK

Karthikeyan A K
Disagree
Tue 14 Jan 2014

Numbers are important

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SuperTux88
Agree
Tue 14 Jan 2014

JR

Jason Robinson
Agree
Tue 14 Jan 2014

Agree since it can never reflect the correct number since we dont' federate this information - if it we're global count it would be different imho.

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Seth Martin
Agree
Tue 14 Jan 2014

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Xophael
Agree
Tue 14 Jan 2014

DM

David Morley
Agree
Wed 15 Jan 2014

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jonsger
Agree
Sat 18 Jan 2014

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StarBlessed
Abstain
Sat 18 Jan 2014

Remove the number, yes. Remove WHO is following, no.

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Paul Greindl
Agree
Sun 19 Jan 2014

As a feature we find it useful - to see which of the tags on a specific topic that is most used for example. But as Jason mentioned; without federating the numbers it's a bit useless. Interesting as a future-feature though ioho. /Ivan&Paul

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theradialactive
Agree
Sun 19 Jan 2014

MŁ

Maciek Łoziński
Abstain
Sun 19 Jan 2014

JL

Jelle Langbroek
Abstain
Mon 20 Jan 2014

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Steffen van Bergerem Sun 19 Jan 2014

@starblessed There is no feature to display who is following a tag. There is just a list of users who tagged themselves in their profile with a specific tag. Removing that list is not part of the proposal.

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StarBlessed Sun 19 Jan 2014

@steffenvanbergerem - Thats what I meant. LOL!

If thats the case, Ill change my vote. Ill research a little more.

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Steffen van Bergerem started a proposal Tue 21 Jan 2014

Show (some) followers of a tag on the left side panel Closed Tue 28 Jan 2014

Privacy issues will be covered by another vote/discussion. We can decide to make tag followings public/private via some settings so please just vote on the following question:

"Do we want to add (some) followers of a tag on the left side panel on the tags page?"

Agree - 5
Abstain - 5
Disagree - 5
Block - 5
19 people have voted (12%)
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Steffen van Bergerem
Disagree
Tue 21 Jan 2014

This needs to be configurable which will add more code complexity. Also sharing that information across pods will add more complexity. I don't think that we need that feature.

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Karthikeyan A K
Agree
Tue 21 Jan 2014

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lebarjack
Agree
Tue 21 Jan 2014

I think this can help newcomers to find contacts who share the same interest. It may counterbalance the impression of loneliness for these newcomers (in opposition to other really crowded social networks).

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Jason Robinson
Agree
Tue 21 Jan 2014

I'm voting yes but I would like it redesigned.

1) Show some LOCAL users who explicitly agree in their settings to expose their tag followings (off by default)
2) Text changed to for example: "Some local users following this tag"

No federation.

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Jonne Haß
Disagree
Tue 21 Jan 2014

Not a good idea. Showing local people just adds to the confusion, sharing followed tags with pods is not a option. Visibility per followed tag is complex (UX wise too). We have profile tags for that reason, separation of concerns is a good thing.

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Flaburgan
Abstain
Tue 21 Jan 2014

I think this vote is not precise enough. The implementation is very important. Let's imagine a mockup first, and then vote about it.

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StarBlessed
Agree
Wed 22 Jan 2014

I think showing a couple of LOCAL users could be good, it encourages interaction between members on the same pod. But it has to be opt in. If this goes ahead, I think that the tag followers don't need to be shared across pods.

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Flaburgan
Disagree
Wed 22 Jan 2014

I think this vote is not precise enough. The implementation is very important. Let's imagine a mockup first, and then vote about it.

But I tend to disagree: I guess people who follow #nsfw probably don't want other people to know that...

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goob
Abstain
Wed 22 Jan 2014

Want to vote 'no' but as proposal is not specific I think I have to abstain for now. See comment for more details on what I think.

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NicoAlto
Disagree
Thu 23 Jan 2014

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Seth Martin
Abstain
Thu 23 Jan 2014

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SuperTux88
Disagree
Fri 24 Jan 2014

IGM

Ivan Gabriel Morén
Abstain
Fri 24 Jan 2014

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maliktunga
Disagree
Fri 24 Jan 2014

This is useless complexity added to tags. When I browse a tag, all I want are the posts related to that tag, not the people who follow it.

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Sean Tilley
Agree
Fri 24 Jan 2014

I think it's a useful way to find people with common interests, or people that are a part of an organization or community, such as #Mozilla, #FSF, #Ubuntu, etc.

DU

[deactivated account]
Abstain
Fri 24 Jan 2014

PH

Paul Hill
Disagree
Sat 25 Jan 2014

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Florian Staudacher
Abstain
Sat 25 Jan 2014

if we really do that, we'll have to make it more clear that those are local users

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Seth Martin
Disagree
Sun 26 Jan 2014

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Xophael
Disagree
Mon 27 Jan 2014

Privacy is my primary concern so until I have strong guarantee this feature is opt-in, I can't totally back it for now. Also I don't really need it since I mostly interact with people inside posts--but that's just my way.

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FÁBIÁN Tamás László
Disagree
Mon 27 Jan 2014

I think it'd be a privacy issue.

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Karthikeyan A K Tue 21 Jan 2014

Okay but if I follow a tag tag and don't want to be visible, that option must be present.

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lebarjack Tue 21 Jan 2014

Configurability doesn't always imply the code complexity. And speaking of federation, I'm not sure this will be a problem if we stick to the profiles which have already been pushed on the pod and the local profiles.

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goob Tue 21 Jan 2014

@lebarjack, if someone who follows a tag wants to be found by others who share the same interest, they can add that tag to the 'describe yourself in 5 words' field in profile settings. Then they will appear in the list of people on the tag's page.

@steffenvanbergerem, what factors/issues are we meant to be considering in this vote, if not privacy?

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Steffen van Bergerem Tue 21 Jan 2014

@goob Privacy is IMO in this case not an issue because one could (should) make this feature optional. What should be decided is: do we need it? When we implement it there will be more code complexity and we would have to put the setting somewhere. Should the user be able to decide for each tag if he/she would like to make the tag following public or should there be a setting which decides that for all tags? Do we want to share that information across pods or do we just show a list of users who follow a tag on your own pod?

As a user I don't want to use that feature (because of privacy issues) so I think that all that effort is not necessary. Thats the reason why I voted against that feature.

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lebarjack Tue 21 Jan 2014

@Goob You have a point with the privacy problem that can occur, but I do think that those 5 tags are not really adapted to the goal of making easier to find new friendly contacts.

Of course, every one interested in a topic will probably make a public post on this topic at some point, and will end up being findable by searching for the tag. Maybe it's sufficient.

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Steffen van Bergerem Tue 21 Jan 2014

@jasonrobinson There is no such feature yet and I did not add anything about the design in the proposal so there is no need for a redesign.

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Jason Robinson Tue 21 Jan 2014

@steffenvanbergerem I believe I am entitled to cite my opinion whatever the vote is about ;)

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Flaburgan Tue 21 Jan 2014

Just to inform you, I saw many users doing the confusion between tags they put on their profile and tags they follow. Unfortunately, I don't know the solution to deal with this problem.

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Steffen van Bergerem Tue 21 Jan 2014

@jasonrobinson You are. I just wouldn't call it "redesign" but thats nit-picking. If we decide to implement that feature I agree that the design you proposed is the right way to implement it.

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Steffen van Bergerem Wed 22 Jan 2014

Another 'solution' just came to my mind. Instead of a list of followers we could add a list "users who tagged a post with #tag".

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goob Wed 22 Jan 2014

Instead of a list of followers we could add a list “users who tagged a post with #tag”.

You mean like the thumbnail icons at the top right of the stream, showing people who are active in the stream? That might be doable.

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goob Wed 22 Jan 2014

It's difficult to decide how to vote on this.

I'd like to vote against, because I have no use for this feature and think it creates needless complexity and server load. I also dislike leaking personal data unless explicitly permitted by the user.

However some people clearly want it, and if it's done in an opt-in way which means only people who want their avatar on the tag page will have it there, I have no objection in principle.

I still don't think there's any real reason to do that, but as the proposal isn't any more clear about reasons and means to achieve a particular goal, I think I have to abstain.

However, my vote can be considered as a 'no' if implementing any sort of list of tag followers would create extra server load.

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Steffen van Bergerem Wed 22 Jan 2014

@flaburgan One of our principles is 'privacy by default' so this definitely has to be opt-in. The idea of this vote was to find out if there is a need for that feature. If thats the case we can think about mockups / implementation details. You and @goob both said that this vote is not specific enough. Do you think we should add more information to the proposal? What is missing? Do we need more time to discuss and vote or should I close this vote and start a new one later?

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goob Wed 22 Jan 2014

@steffenvanbergerem If you just mean 'do I personally want this feature?' my vote would be no. If you mean 'do I think this feature should be allowed if enough people want it?' I would have to abstain.

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Steffen van Bergerem Wed 22 Jan 2014

The question is "Do you think that enough users want that feature? Is it worth the effort? Should it be allowed?"

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Seth Martin Thu 23 Jan 2014

This would be just as confusing as having a number but could be useful if it's clearly stated that list of users is partial and that only users of the same pod that have opted in are shown. I'm doubting that it's worth the effort.

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goob Thu 23 Jan 2014

As I don't know how much effort it would take, I'll have to abstain. But my vote can be considered as a strong no if:

  • it would take a lot of work to create and implement this feature, or
  • it would increase server load to run it.

I don't think it really adds anything useful, so unless it would be really easy to implement and make no difference to pod performance, I don't think we should attempt it.

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Steffen van Bergerem Sat 25 Jan 2014

@seantilleycommunit You are able to add 5 tags to your own profile which could be #mozilla, #fsf, #whatever. What is the advantage of public tag followings over tags in your profile (which are available across pods)?