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July 30th, 2015 10:32

diaspora* hackathon at the Mozilla Paris office

Flaburgan
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What

A meetup to hack on diaspora* and discuss about the project and its community

Why

Because to meet and work IRL is so much fun.

Where

The Mozilla Paris office
16 Bis Boulevard Montmartre
75009 Paris, France
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When

From Thursday, the 8th of October 2015, to Sunday, the 11th of October (old pool)

Who

Fla, Augier, Steffen, Lukas, Jason

Please tell us here if you plan to attend.

Hi everybody.

I have a good news, two mozilla employees are okay to help us organize and host a diaspora* event at the mozilla Paris office. We will have a working space with internet connection, and all we need to work.

We talked about a four days event, as people are coming from quite far away the trip has to be worth the cost.

About the accomodation I propose to ask the lovely diaspora* community for places to stay by night (hotels are very expensive in Paris).

If you have any questions, feel free to ask!

Lukas Matt

Lukas Matt July 30th, 2015 14:38

<3 awesome ! Looking forward to it :)

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson July 30th, 2015 15:19

So awesome! <3

Would be nice to lock these dates within a week or two so could buy plane tickets, they get more expensive as time gets closer.. Will defo try to come!

Augier

Augier July 31st, 2015 05:19

Would be nice, soon, that every one who thinks he is coming, to tell what kind of electric plug he has so we can buy power adaptater ;)

Joe Bew

Joe Bew July 31st, 2015 08:34

@flaburgan This is an awesome idea \o/

This is the kind of event I'm looking for, it is a great initiative and certainly I'll try to be there :)

I agree with @jasonrobinson , we should lock these dates within a week or two.

KS

Kent Shikama July 31st, 2015 14:47

Sounds great! I can't come but I suppose I can join by pushing commits remotely :p

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 2nd, 2015 17:48

So, currently these two are winning:

01/10 -> 04/10
08/10 -> 11/10

I suggest we decide asap, during the coming week?

@flaburgan how many people do we have space to work for?

Also, I suggest we consider doing this "properly" and doing a quick community fund raiser to cover some of the costs for participants. At least for me, I'm looking at €200 minimum on flights (if I buy now) + the need to take time off work. Also, while I'll be totally fine with staying at some persons sofa, it would be so much more convenient for us to just rent a room in a hostel for at least 4 people for example. This would allow maximum flexibility.

The fund raiser could be a low profile campaign just for those that want to support this 4 days of hacking on diaspora. We could even come up with a plan of what to achieve - personally I would like to at least brainstorm of pod migration, if not even work on it if we can agree on a spec.. We could agree that travel and hostel costs would be reimbursed for accepted participants to the hackathon.

Fundraising on Bountysource would be simplest. They take a 10% cut which I think is fair. The other option would be to use Indiegogo, but they take almost 10% for paypal payouts too - at least with bountysource any money that would not be used for costs could be used for bounties without losing the 10%.

Opinions?

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 2nd, 2015 18:13

For example, some cheap private rooms search.

Augier

Augier August 3rd, 2015 08:42

Outside Paris, there's also a Cerise Hostel in my city. I don't know the prices, but I can make a jump to it and ask for informations if anyone need it.

It's only 48 minutes by public transports from the Mozilla office and I can handle the transports tickets.

As I leave near Paris, please let me know asap where you guys are staying so that I can organize transports for everyone.

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 3rd, 2015 11:16

I doubt Paris is that expensive that we need to commute 2 hours daily? Would be nice to be able to work long days and then go out for drinks etc :) Some of the hostels were like 60-80€ for 4 days which imho is not bad for being close to the mozilla office. Of course, not everyone has to stay at the same place.

@flaburgan do you know how flexible hours we can work, do we have only limited access to the office or can we go 24h?

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 3rd, 2015 12:22

@Jason not too sure about a fundraising, maybe we can simply use the money we have with the FSSN?

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 3rd, 2015 12:24

do you know how flexible hours we can work, do we have only limited access to the office or can we go 24h?

I stayed for events until 01:00 AM. Not sure we can stay that long every day though. I have to confirm with the mozilla employees.

As for the number of person, the office is big, we can be 15-20 without problems.

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 3rd, 2015 12:24

@flaburgan

not too sure about a fundraising, maybe we can simply use the money we have with the FSSN?

Be sure! I doubt we can get the FSSN involved in this hackathon in the required time frame.

Why are you not sure? I'm quite sure many community members would love to sponsor some work on the project.

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 3rd, 2015 12:26

@dennisschubert @florianstaudacher @jhass @goob could you please fill the poll?

Augier

Augier August 3rd, 2015 13:57

I doubt Paris is that expensive that we need to commute 2 hours daily?

Why? That's what I do every day when I got to school.
Indeed, I do not stay for a drink after the lectures :p

I do not have my planning for next year so, right now, all dates will look the same: I'll be able to be present saturday and sunda only. When I have the planning, my work-periods will likely be at the end of october but I can't be sure for now.

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 3rd, 2015 14:00

@augier and you're leaving there. We will have only 4 days. Maybe we can check Air b'n'b? But I'd like to fix the date first, then we'll see what we can do.

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 3rd, 2015 14:02

I really don't see why we can't ask the community for help. What is wrong with that?

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 3rd, 2015 14:10

I really don’t see why we can’t ask the community for help. What is wrong with that?

Nothing at all! That's what I proposed in my first message: in my opinion it will be way cheaper to directly ask for accommodation than to ask for money to pay for accommodation. And then we'll be able to keep money for things we can't ask freely. So that's why I propose to first set up a date, then see if this date is fine with mozilla, then ask for people if someone has a place to host us (eventually check that with mozilla too), if we see that's too difficult, then ask for money and rent a place with airbnb.

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 3rd, 2015 14:17

What about travel costs? :) Also, I really believe having one person there, another there, another at third place, will make it really difficult to work efficiently.

I don't mind organizing it if no one opposes, using bountysource for example.

But yeah, getting a final OK on the date is of course most important first - so maybe we could set a deadline this wednesday midnight for people to participate in the poll?

G

Globulle August 3rd, 2015 14:41

I'm very happy to see such an event happen! I am tempted to suggest you to go for the fundraising anyway, with several targets: first the travel costs, second the food, third the hosting if not directly provided by peoples, etc... depending on the amount of money you get. Just make clear it is for the event to take place, and not to see some specific features implemented. ;-)

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 3rd, 2015 15:14

It would also be nice to plan what we want to work on / discuss about.

AG

Aurélie GINIOUX August 12th, 2015 08:52

Hi,
Thanks for the initiative.
I'd like to come but since I just started a new job, it is difficult for me to have some days off to be present during four days. Is it possible to only come two or (hopefully) three days ?
Anyway, I live in Paris, so if someone needs a couch during the hackathon, I can shelter someone in my flat.

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 12th, 2015 11:13

I edited my vote for the days as "possible". Unfortunately the days are not locked yet so cannot buy flights which are getting more expensive the closer it gets. Also, money is going to be a problem for me :( It seems I'll be going to FSCONS in Gothenburg in November to do a talk, so will need to buy those tickets and hostel there.

So while it would be fantastic for this Paris hackathon to happen, it's not looking terrific for me at the moment, sorry :(

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 12th, 2015 11:14

Also, FOSDEM is only a few months away really from October, so maybe we could just have a hackathon there?

Augier

Augier August 12th, 2015 13:15

Also, FOSDEM is only a few months away really from October, so maybe we could just have a hackathon there?

I'll be here too so it's definitely a yes for me. We'll have to ask for a room.

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 14th, 2015 09:34

We're already short of time at the fosdem when we only speak to people. Last year I didn't have time to go to all the talks I wanted. I don't want to miss this perfect moment to meet people being busy hacking. So, a hackathon at the fosdem: good idea, but not during the fosdem itself, but the days before / after.

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 15th, 2015 13:48

I saw with the mozilla employes and the 8-11th of october looks better. Let's fix this date.

Augier

Augier August 19th, 2015 17:30

I just had my courses planning. I'll be at school during this period. I'll finish at 15h30 on thursday, though, so I'll be able to spent some time with you guys at the end of the afternoon and I only have very boring lecture on friday so I might skive :D

Lukas Matt

Lukas Matt August 19th, 2015 18:22

I saw with the mozilla employes and the 8-11th of october looks better. Let’s fix this date

is it fix ? ;)

Augier

Augier August 20th, 2015 11:05

is it fix ? ;)

Nope, it has to. That's why he is going to PR the date. :)

Augier

Augier August 20th, 2015 15:41

I think it's time to discuss what everyone need in term of material and information. As I'm the only one to prepare this in Paris, please let me know if you need something before you get there.

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 24th, 2015 09:57

Okay I need to fix the date with mozilla as soon as possible, if we didn't validate before the end of the week it will be too late. So: who is really able to attend? if @jasonrobinson cannot come anymore, who's still there? Do we want to postbone that to the week before (or after) the fosdem?

@goob @florianstaudacher @steffenvanbergerem @zauberstuhl

Lukas Matt

Lukas Matt August 24th, 2015 10:01

I can attend at the weekend for sure. I am just not sure about Thursday.

But I have no problems with postponing either :)

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 24th, 2015 10:13

The date is fixed: we have a room for 12 persons available in the mozilla Paris office from Thursday 8th of October to Sunday 11 of October.

It is still possible to cancel it if we have problems.

goob

goob August 24th, 2015 10:54

Thanks for mentioning me, Fla. It would be great to meet you all, but I'm unable to travel. I also can't hack, for that matter...

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 24th, 2015 10:55

I’m unable to travel.

So the next meetup will have to be in London?

I also can’t hack, for that matter

This is also about discussion about the project and the community, how do we want to organize ourselves, etc...

Lukas Matt

Lukas Matt August 24th, 2015 13:08

@flaburgan dumb question.. can we sleep in the office?

Flaburgan

Flaburgan August 24th, 2015 13:25

Last time I asked, it was not possible, because of insurance (if there is a fire or stuff like that). Depending how many we are, I was thinking about to rent an appartment with airbnb to stay together, or to ask for people to sleep on their couch :)

Lukas Matt

Lukas Matt August 24th, 2015 13:28

sure thing I have no problem with that !

Lukas Matt

Lukas Matt August 26th, 2015 17:06

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson August 28th, 2015 21:35

Yay, booked my flights, coming after all, will be there for whole 4 days :)

Lukas Matt

Lukas Matt August 28th, 2015 22:10

awesome <3 Jason I am really looking forward to it!! I already thought that you'll skip it in respect of your workload :S

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 13th, 2015 17:19

So what are we going to work on?

It would be nice to set some simple goals, maybe even gather up a list of tasks to tackle. Personally it would be nice imho to try and tackle or kick off some of the most trickiest concepts missing from 1.0. This doesn't mean completing them or coming up with a final spec, but something that at least resembles a plan or initial implementation that can then be iterated on.

I'd personally like to talk a lot about federation and how to solidify and improve it. For that, maybe a whiteboard would be nice, if the meeting room has one or if not if we could find one, Fla?

And speaking of 1.0 and federation, of course pod migration comes up. I'd like to go through it, the existing preliminary specs and ideas, and then come up with a list of core deliverables that can be accepted by the whole core team (not just people present at the hackathon). Then we would have something to push up the bounty with.

Should we set up a kanban type board for the hackathon - overkill or maybe a good way to organize? Taiga.io is a really cool agile tool if we want a dedicated board to log stuff on. We can of course just use irc and github, that is fine too.

Lukas Matt

Lukas Matt September 13th, 2015 19:49

my personal goal is: review chat back-end
there are still some flaw's I wanna get rid of. Maybe someone is interested in XMPP ,too :)

Should we set up a kanban type board for the hackathon - overkill or maybe a good way to organize?

I am sure that could help. thumbs up

Flaburgan

Flaburgan September 14th, 2015 06:47

I also was thinking about working on the chat: it would be nice to have it in an stable enough state to include it in the coming 0.6.

I would love to work on the federation but I think nobody in the coming people already dig in it, without @jhass @florianstaudacher or @supertux88 it would be hard to work on that part I guess.

I'd also like a time to talk about the project itself (where are we and where do we want to go). We could then write a blog post to inform about the status of the project. We need to communicate more ;)

We could talk about how do we organize ourselves too, what can we do to improve the communication with the community (organize loomio, talk about the forum, switch the mailing list...).

Oh, and I think there is a whiteboard there ;)

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 14th, 2015 09:08

I would love to work on the federation

What federation issues do you mean?

We could then write a blog post to inform about the status of the project. We need to communicate more ;)

Offtopic kinda but I'd like to ramp down the whole blog - now that we have a place to communicate.

I'll get a board set up so we don't have to bloat github with non-code items like these :)

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 14th, 2015 09:09

I also was thinking about working on the chat: it would be nice to have it in an stable enough state to include it in the coming 0.6.

Yeah definitely! We could maybe list one thing as a generic guideline to attempt to solve as many 0.6 items as possible?

Augier

Augier September 14th, 2015 18:53

+1 for chat. I also wanted to take time to work on the API but I fear we fall short of time :(

Augier

Augier September 18th, 2015 19:12

I'm going to shot the event to make a video and I decided to start with a presentation of the Mozilla office. So wrote a little speech I'm going to tell in front of the camera a the beginning of the video illustrated with images of the office. Please tell me what you think about it (especially @goob).

Hello people, I'm currently standing inside the Mozilla office of Paris which is located on the Boulevard Montmartre.
The Boulevard Montmartre is one of the four Grand Boulevard of Paris which are big street built between 1668 and 1705.
More precisely, the Mozilla office are located inside the Hôtel de Mercy-Argenteau built in 1778 by the architect Firmin Perlin.
This building is a monument classé. In france, a *monument classé is a monument which is considered representing a high cultural and historical value.
Hence, it is protected by law. For instance, if Mozilla wanted to remove the wood from the walls, they couldn't do it because it's forbidden.
Mozilla has moved in this gourgeous place in 2013 and this week-end, this is also where the very first diaspora hackathon is heading.

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 18th, 2015 19:22

Hey I added a Taiga.io board - what do you guys think? https://tree.taiga.io/project/jaywink-diaspora-paris-hackathon/kanban

Added some stuff to it. I think it could be a good idea to use something like this, it helps in focusing on key things and not having to bloat github / loomio etc - we can then sync changes to github as needed.

If we don't use it I can scrap it, otherwise I made it public so I think you should be able to join the project or if not I'll add ya.

Augier

Augier September 18th, 2015 20:00

Nice !

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 18th, 2015 21:25

Added an OSM map link to the OP - hope it's correct ;)

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 19th, 2015 13:27

Added Lukas, Augier and Fla to the board - couldn't find email of @steffenvanbergerem or @dada . Anyone else?

@joebew or @aurelieginioux - can you make it to the event? No need to participate the whole time ;)

Augier

Augier September 19th, 2015 16:19

I think @dada is not going to join us. At least not in develop work. I asked him to join us to film the hackathon as much as he can, though. @jasonrobinson, @zauberstuhl, @flaburgan, is it ok for you to be filmed while working?

BTW, any feedback on the text I wrote?

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 19th, 2015 17:50

I think @dada is not going to join us.

Oh I asked and he said he is coming, hope so anyway!

I don't mind being filmed, feel free to document the whole event!

Flaburgan

Flaburgan September 26th, 2015 13:11

hi, I need to give a "information and/or registration" link to mozilla, do you think we should add the event on meetup.com or something like this? Or maybe we can write a blogpost?

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 26th, 2015 15:47

I need to give a “information and/or registration” link to mozilla, do you think we should add the event on meetup.com or something like this?

Better hurry, time is getting short :) I'd say a wiki entry is enough with the information from here and information on how to reach the people going. Meetup.com is not free.

Or maybe we can write a blogpost?

I'll repeat my previous comment and we already wrote about it on a platform that allows replying to the post. Wouldn't hurt to do a new post too.

Flaburgan

Flaburgan September 26th, 2015 17:45

To give the link to a post of diaspora* HQ seems fine :)

Do we need to write a new one?

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 28th, 2015 19:15

Do we need to write a new one?

Do we need to wait for an answer to this question? ;)

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson September 30th, 2015 20:16

@flaburgan

Do we need to write a new one?

https://pod.diaspora.software/posts/18103 :)

Could you get the post to some Mozilla lists or local open source event calendars etc? Would be great if we could get some last minute visibility.

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson October 3rd, 2015 18:51

@flaburgan so, it's only a few days till the hackathon. Do you have details on what happens on Thursday? Would be nice to know before arriving there knocking at the door of Mozilla. I've tried to spam the hackathon a lot and quite a few have asked about coming so it would also be embarrassing having other people also knock on the door.. ;)

I'll be picking up my travel wifi box nearby at 9.30'ish in the morning, so will be at the mozilla office prob 10.30 - 11 latest.

goob

goob October 4th, 2015 12:06

Hi Augier, sorry for the delay. Here are my suggested edits for your text, if they're still useful:

Hello, everyone. I’m currently standing inside the Mozilla office of Paris, which is located on the Boulevard Montmartre.

The Boulevard Montmartre is one of Paris’s four Grands Boulevards – wide streets built between 1668 and 1705.

The Mozilla offices are located inside the Hôtel de Mercy-Argenteau, which was built in 1778 by the architect Firmin Perlin.

This building is a monument classé. In France, a monument classé is a monument which is considered to possess high cultural and historical significance. Hence, the building is protected by law. It would, for instance, be forbidden for Mozilla to remove the wood from the building’s walls.

Mozilla moved in this beautiful location in 2013 and, this week-end, the very first diaspora hackathon will take place here.

Augier

Augier October 4th, 2015 12:07

Still useful. Hackthon is next week-end. ;)
Thanks a lot.

goob

goob October 4th, 2015 12:07

Oops, that first sentence should read 'the Mozilla office in [not 'of'] Paris'.

Augier

Augier October 4th, 2015 12:23

Noted.

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson October 6th, 2015 18:29

An update post: https://pod.diaspora.software/posts/21630

@joebew , @aurelieginioux - have you considered coming over, you mentioned yourself earlier in this thread as maybe? :)

goob

goob October 7th, 2015 17:48

I have just published a blog post, as this seemed like a good event for Diaspora to blog about!

Flaburgan

Flaburgan October 8th, 2015 07:16

Awesome @goob this blog post is perfect! Thank you very much!

goob

goob October 8th, 2015 16:12

It was only copied from the DHQ posts about the hackathon, with a bit of editing. I can't claim credit for it! (Sorry, didn't think to mention that yesterday.)

Hope you all have fun at the hackathon, and I look forward to using the new API and migrating my account on Monday! :P