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[post] Overview of citizen lists / pirate parties in elections

J Josse Public Seen by 15

What have we got we can recommend? LLN:Kayoux; Tubize: pp, Anvers: pp+Volt, La Louvière: Cum Lupis, I could not see anything democratic in Ghent, Ostend says to be having 3 citizen lists...

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Ilja Sun 7 Oct 2018 3:59PM

I agree that a pirate party list is different from a citizenslist and may even be a different concept, but having/supporting citizenslists is a very pirate thing to do IMO, so having an article making people aware of it is def something we should have if someone can write it.

Why is it a pirate-thing
1. As pirates we believe that a bottom-up approach is needed. Citizenlists do this.
2. As pirates we believe that people should be included in the decision-making process. A citizenlist can bring the needed changes to do this, without having to rely on party-politics.
3. The idea of having a citizenslist instead of a pirate-list grew independently in at least three crews that I know of (W-VL, Ghent, LLN). If this wasn't an idea in line with pirate-values, we wouldn't have seen this. (W-VL eventually died before anything happened, but AFAIK LLN and Ghent are going forward with it, and I think also Liege)

Having/supporting citizenslists for local elections may not be the 'original' pirate party strategy, but we're pirates. We learn, experiment and grow (which implies changing when we feel the need arises). For me citizenslists are just a new step in this evolution.

An article which I think is also relevant to this question is https://nl.pirateparty.be/de-piraten-van-ottignies-louvain-la-neuve-op-weg-naar-een-local-e-democratie-voor-2018-2042-en-later/

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Josse Sun 7 Oct 2018 10:04PM

@iljabaert That article is indeed quite good, but it is outdated with the Local-e anyways (it is kayoux now). I don't know if there is a way to put things together again, but referring to kayoux, cum lupis which we are sure about and then refer to others. But I have not get any confirmation from Gent that Gentse Burgers is to be trusted, although I would not see why. if you could at least contact them, that would be good. For Leuven, there is also a new party of independent citizens, but no values of cogovernance or transparency were found.