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Tue 2 Dec 2014 12:09PM

NEW blog for diaspora*

DU [deactivated account] Public Seen by 195

Remember www.diasporial.com? Of course you do. Unfortunately the blog is not being updated any longer. We need to make diaspora* development possible, and we need to get involved. Not all of us are programmers, but we can write and promote this social network. We need to organize ourselves and do the following: 1. promote the new blog (blog.diasporafoundation.org) where anyone can share info, promote diaspora* in as many ways as possible, call on volunteer programmers; 2. move the content of the old www.diasporial.com to the new blog; 3. avoid trolling and keep being positive about it ;)
P.S. Please remind me if I missed something and feel free to jump right in :)

You can also check this thread https://www.loomio.org/d/x9VBan3j/diaspora-foundation-site-proposal about the new diaspora* website and https://www.loomio.org/d/rIUqBLWH/project-domain-name for the domain name. But what about the blog? Should the new blog contain the old diasporial blog content?

DU

Poll Created Tue 2 Dec 2014 3:07PM

Should the diaspora* blog be on the same website as The Federation? :) Closed Tue 2 Dec 2014 3:32PM

Should the new website (whatever its domain name) contain the diaspora* blog or should it be separated from the main website?

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 50.0% 1 DU
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 50.0% 1 DS
Undecided 0% 262 BK ST FS MS TS AA S CB HF BO JH DM GC JH JR F RF M EG G AX PC PP BB LP T DY SH DU H M RF R DM P EP E S AS MK R JD PP F PA SK A G TT J NV N CB BC T RD O MS M RS- TM IS D MZ TM MB PG IGM M EK JS AL MS R OU KM DS W MS P S JL N AKS SJ RD A N KAK V A B S JB DC S S V PS AA C S JS MP GL DU VM E EA P DO DN FO TB JB L EM MM C LS MS MM HSB AMQ DU VK D AV FL Y JD A AT S AM MDB M FS MM RV HL GK DU DV E E TA T R L T SP RF CM DE D M DU DL MJS J JHI E ED CC G J DU MS F NR B Y JM DS SA MN SM LM CG A FF CK H L A KS RD M ATA UV N EL AC K AM KM RM H C MF AI AG TRA CJC S DU SC TM FT M GS DV BS LR HS S MS DA CA AF AS A MN T AR S GZ BJ AP J C TW HC T MK MC T MS R F EAP JB JD VP FC TT SD SS HE JM NL AA ASM A TJ M GZ C S CK

2 of 264 people have voted (0%)

DU

[deactivated account]
Agree
Tue 2 Dec 2014 3:10PM

I agree on this because we could develop the blog better if it's separated from the main website. We can choose to have a "blog" section on the website which could contain ONLY important updates from the blog page!

DS

Dennis Schubert
Block
Tue 2 Dec 2014 3:25PM

We already do have https://blog.diasporafoundation.org/, so this question is invalid. Please create a new proposal asking if we should port the old diasporial posts to our blog.

DU

Poll Created Tue 2 Dec 2014 3:35PM

Should we port www.diasporial.com to blog.diasporafoundation.org? Closed Wed 10 Dec 2014 9:54AM

Outcome
by [deactivated account] Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:15AM

People agreed on making a planet where blogs can be aggregated into. @augier started a new discussion, please join and take a stand: https://www.loomio.org/d/IK0eyc4h/setup-a-planet-for-community-blogging?utm_campaign=thread_mailer&utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_discussion

We currently have https://blog.diasporafoundation.org/ Should we port the old diasporial posts to our blog?

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 27.3% 3 DU DU CK
Abstain 9.1% 1 DU
Disagree 63.6% 7 FS JR F G DS W T
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 255 BK ST MS TS AA S CB HF BO JH DM GC JH RF M EG G AX PC PP BB LP T DY SH DU H M RF R DM P EP E S AS MK R JD PP F PA SK A G TT J NV N CB BC T RD O MS M RS- TM IS D MZ TM MB PG IGM M EK JS AL MS R OU KM DS MS P S JL N AKS SJ RD A N KAK V A B S JB DC S S V PS AA C S JS MP GL DU VM E EA P DO DN FO TB JB L EM MM C LS MS MM HSB AMQ DU VK D AV FL Y JD A AT S AM MDB M FS MM RV HL GK DU DV E E TA T R L SP RF CM DE D M DU DL MJS J JHI E ED CC G J MS F NR B Y JM DS SA MN SM LM CG A FF CK H L A KS RD M ATA UV N EL AC K AM KM RM H C MF AI AG TRA CJC S DU SC TM FT M GS DV BS LR HS S MS DA CA AF AS A MN T AR S GZ BJ AP J C TW HC T MK MC T MS R F EAP JB JD VP FC TT SD SS HE JM NL AA ASM A TJ M GZ C S

11 of 266 people have voted (4%)

DU

[deactivated account]
Agree
Tue 2 Dec 2014 3:36PM

A 100% YES - we need to have everything on the NEW blog!

DS

Dennis Schubert
Disagree
Wed 3 Dec 2014 4:24PM

We have great stuff on https://diasporafoundation.org/tutorials and most of the articles on diasporial are outdated, there is no reason to copy them.

G

goob
Disagree
Wed 3 Dec 2014 6:28PM

See post for reasons.

JR

Jason Robinson
Disagree
Sun 7 Dec 2014 11:40AM

I would like a separate community blogs site to be created instead of polluting the official announcements blog.

Maybe a future planet if it becomes successful? Diasporal posts could be copied (fixed) to new community blog.

F

Flaburgan
Disagree
Sun 7 Dec 2014 5:34PM

the blog at blog.diasporafoundation.org is the one for official announcements. I would propose to set up a new one (or a planet?) on community.diasporafoundation.org

FS

Florian Staudacher
Disagree
Tue 9 Dec 2014 11:51AM

planet ++

DU

[deactivated account] Tue 2 Dec 2014 9:30PM

Sorry mate, but I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

DU

[deactivated account] Tue 2 Dec 2014 9:33PM

Hi Rich,
Thank you for your comment. Maybe I wasn't very clear on the proposal. I suggested that we could move the content of the old www.diasporial.com to the new blog, that is blog.diasporafoundation.org. If you agree on this, please vote (like a) pro :)

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 10:05AM

Ok, I understand now.

But what about these: https://diasporafoundation.org/tutorials

?

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 12:30PM

Those are where they should be. The problem is with the old blog, we need to have its content on the new blog (in my opinion).

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 4:45PM

That's the kind of social media behavior that I personally disagree with:
1 day ago:
Dennis Schubert blocked the initial proposal: We already do have https://blog.diasporafoundation.org/, so this question is invalid. Please create a new proposal asking if we should port the old diasporial posts to our blog.
15 minutes ago:
Dennis Schubert disagreed: We have great stuff on https://diasporafoundation.org/tutorials and most of the articles on diasporial are outdated, there is no reason to copy them.
So @dennisschubert why would you want me to change the proposal to something that you don't agree with in the first place? Just so you can click the disagree button afterward? I guess it would have been more respectful of you to tell me that you don't like the idea in the first place so that I could delete the proposal!

DS

Dennis Schubert Wed 3 Dec 2014 5:03PM

to tell me that you don’t like the idea in the first place so that I could delete the proposal

Deleting a proposal because somebody does not like it is not a great idea since we're trying to have democratic votes.

The first proposal was useless, a discussion about if we should have a blog or not is invalid since there is already a blog. Blocking the first proposal was simply a housekeeping task (remember, I'm one of the core members and somebody has to do the job, we would have a huge mess here otherwise).

My vote against adopting the old diasporial.com posts is a simple vote, not a block. That's my opinion and it will not affect the result of this proposal since my vote is nothing special. If there are more "agree" positions, we will adopt the posts.

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 5:18PM

Let me comment on your statements a bit (without markdown):
1. "The first proposal was useless, a discussion about if we should have a blog or not is invalid since there is already a blog...Blocking the first proposal was simply a housekeeping task (remember, I’m one of the core members and somebody has to do the job, we would have a huge mess here otherwise)." - so this is useless, fair enough;
2. "Deleting a proposal because somebody does not like it is not a great idea, since we’re trying to have democratic votes." - and my second proposal is not useless, though you disagree with it and specify clearly (in your own words): "We have great stuff on https://diasporafoundation.org/tutorials and most of the articles on diasporial are outdated, there is no reason to copy them." And that's not saying that the second proposal is useless...no, not at all, it's just "not relevant". By the way, what was your criterion for claiming that the firs proposal was useless? Did you ask other users? I didn't see that...maybe they would have liked to see a new blog separated from the diaspora* main website, but you never asked, did you?

I'm sorry to say this, but you're far from distinguishing between relevance and irrelevance. But please pay some respect to how others spend their time, since we are a community and (I think) we deserve some honest replies.
Thank you for your understanding.

G

goob Wed 3 Dec 2014 6:27PM

I disagree that the blog posts from diasporial should be ported to the official project blog, because diasporial was never an official project blog itself - it was a community resource run by a community member.

There was an official blog, the posts from which are still contained on Github - porting those to the new blog would be more appropriate, but I'm not convinced that even that would be necessary, because they are very out-of-date.

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 6:40PM

Thank you for your vote, @goob. The idea of porting it has historical backup, not "technicalities". My idea was that we could conjoin the old info with the new one for the sake of diaspora* s blogging history.

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 6:46PM

@riderplus : But, when you talked about this on IRC, it was not only about adoupting diasporial.com, right ?

ST

Sean Tilley Wed 3 Dec 2014 6:51PM

Perhaps a better proposal would be to use our blog more frequently, and perhaps have an approach to development coverage similar to what Diasporial was?

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 6:51PM

@augier Please read my posts above- my first proposal (that I talked to you and RDash about) was rejected because it was thought to be "useless" by the admin @dennisschubert. Of course I disagree on his decision, but I'm not doing the "house cleaning" here, so I have to respect that the first proposal was rejected. So Dennis Schubert blocked my proposal and there's nothing to do about it, only if someone else creates a new post. FWIW, I think that blocking a post by reasons of "house cleaning" is authoritarian and highly undemocratic, since the post was not spamming anyone!

DS

Dennis Schubert Wed 3 Dec 2014 7:01PM

@deadsuperhero We talked about that on our 11th Nov meeting. :) Pinging @flaburgan because he wrote https://diaspora-fr.org/posts/793785

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 7:09PM

@deadsuperhero The approach to development coverage was what I also talked to @augier on IRC about, among others...maybe someone could start a new post/proposal, if this one doesn't catch up with what we need for promoting diaspora* better...

DU

[deactivated account] Wed 3 Dec 2014 7:30PM

If this post by Kevin is outdated, then whoever maintains it's outdated is outdated:
http://diasporial.com/articles/diaspora-is-not-ready-for-the-mass-yet
Let me quote:

Diaspora isn’t ready for the mass yet, as much as we would like it to be. What we need to do is “planting the seeds in their minds”, as someone mentioned on the post. Compare it to Twitter. Everyone has heard of Twitter yet most people don’t even know what it’s exactly about. That would definitely be the best case scenario for Diaspora, as people will be more tempted to join once it’s actually ready. And that moment is yet to come.

So please (at least) read the www.diasporial.com blog before expressing your opinion, otherwise you'll confuse others :-)

DU

[deactivated account] Sat 6 Dec 2014 10:23PM

We talked about this subject yesterday during a informal meetup with @flaburgan.

There are numerous point we could post on a community blog.

Currently, the official blog is used for official communications : new versions and official statements (like what was done when the islamic storm). However, this blog has a new post each 6 months. This does not give the impression of a project that is alive...

In an other hand, there numerous point that we don't communicate on. Here are some :

  • the work on the chat and the features,
  • the individual initiatives like @praveenarimbrathod's packaging crowdsourcing or @rich1's forum,
  • hottest points beeing discussed here,
  • what happens on the forum
  • community fan arts (I strongly believe we should stimulate community fan art)
  • etc...

I give so much time ansering the same question on framsphere.org about the chat and other features. We definitly need a community blog to communicate on these things appart from the official blog.diasporafoundation.org !

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 7 Dec 2014 11:21AM

Everybody who wants a community blog - please work together and set one up :) Just like @rich1 did with the (excellent) diaspora forum (https://diasporaforum.org/).

If the blog gets adoption, then it will become a success and it will end up being a "core thing".

Personally, I would only vote on attaching a community blog type of thing to the diasporafoundation.org site if I see actual blog entries written. It just doesn't seem to happen, lots of people talk about blogging, but then there is not much happening.

Diasporal was AFAIK not an official resource - it just became popular and became thus became kinda "official", even having a link from inside diaspora. The same could happen to any community blog site that is set up... :)

DU

[deactivated account] Sun 7 Dec 2014 12:30PM

@jasonrobinson Yeah...that was my initial proposal which was blocked. But thank you for your support :)

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 7 Dec 2014 12:32PM

@riderplus we've decided in the early Loomio days that a block is only a no. Besides, NO ONE can block you from creating a page on the internet and working with other community members.

DU

[deactivated account] Sun 7 Dec 2014 12:35PM

@jasonrobinson It is one thing to create a blog and work with other community members and quite another to make the change official on Loomio. I guess we can all agree on that. Otherwise what's the sense of us discussing here? :)

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 7 Dec 2014 12:40PM

Well, adoption is really the thing that determines officiality - not deciding something, IMHO. But talk is always good, I think you just were a bit eager with the proposal thing.. :)

DU

[deactivated account] Sun 7 Dec 2014 12:47PM

Yes, maybe ;) I'm also very talkative so please excuse me if I'm overdoing it some times.

G

goob Sun 7 Dec 2014 2:15PM

This is now sounding exactly like the 'planet', which needs creating by someone so that community blogs can be aggregated and hosted on the project site.

DU

[deactivated account] Sun 7 Dec 2014 2:34PM

Yes, @goob, too bad Loomio has no option to merge the discussions/ proposals...

DS

Dennis Schubert Sun 7 Dec 2014 3:02PM

FWIW, we already have a working planet source, but it's not merged into the project site yet.

I'd support a planet if there are active community blogs and I'd be happy to merge it in.

DU

[deactivated account] Sun 7 Dec 2014 3:06PM

^ +1 yes I'd be glad if you, @dennisschubert , did that.

F

Flaburgan Sun 7 Dec 2014 5:43PM

@dennisschubert a planet (or a community blog) would be nice, but I worry about the translation of the content. I could write blogposts and talk about the project and the french community, but I don't feel comfortable enough to do it in english. Could we imagine an interface maybe with tabs (one per language), to easily manage languages in a planet / blog? Every post would be posted in a language, and readers would be encouraged to translate it with a tab "translate this post" for example.

G

goob Sun 7 Dec 2014 6:10PM

Fla, as the 'planet' would be an aggregation of blog posts written by community members, I don't think there is any need to translate blog posts into other languages (e.g. yours, written in French, into English). Your blog posts would be for the French community, other people would write for the German community, English community and so on.

I guess a language filter would be nice (perhaps each blogger included in the planet could indicate which language they will be writing in, so that the foundation site doesn't need to implement automatic language detection), but I don't see it as essential.

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 7 Dec 2014 6:28PM

+1 for what Goob said

F

Flaburgan Sun 7 Dec 2014 9:08PM

Well I'm almost sure people would think it's weird to find a post with only a french version on the official website so we should think about the translation process now before setting up the planet.

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 7 Dec 2014 9:35PM

If it's a planet the posts will not be official project posts - just collected under the project. They might not even be about diaspora, even if they should :P

DU

[deactivated account] Sun 7 Dec 2014 11:29PM

If it’s a planet the posts will not be official project posts - just collected under the project.

Well it can be a problem as the idea is to show that the project himself is alive and dynamic :/

G

goob Mon 8 Dec 2014 12:03PM

Well it can be a problem as the idea is to show that the project himself is alive and dynamic

I don't see it as a problem. The project is community-driven, so if the community it shown to be alive and dynamic, that means the project is (and also shows that the project is not centralised and corporate-controlled, like the big networks).

DU

[deactivated account] Mon 8 Dec 2014 12:14PM

I don’t see it as a problem. The project is community-driven, so if the community it shown to be alive and dynamic, that means the project is (and also shows that the project is not centralised and corporate-controlled, like the big networks).

Well, not necessarily. diaspora* IS alive and dynamic, but the way in which the interface of "joining diaspora*" looks right now, the way in which the list of pods feels, and the lack of basic features on the diaspora* platform seem to contradict its being "alive and dynamic". It's still very very much nerd pollution going around, too much complaints and no solutions, too many outdated opinions that keep its progress blocked. So I disagree with you on that: the project is going forward, people are working, but the interface of the project, the interaction between diaspora* people that don't have the skills to program and programmers is still poor, which makes the project lag lag behind other social networks in terms of functionality. This is not a pessimistic remark, it's realistic, and we have to make diaspora* more democratic than it is right now...in all its aspects. That's just my point of view, so don't blame me for bringing about these :)

G

goob Mon 8 Dec 2014 4:44PM

@riderplus, I agree with what you say about improving the experience for prospective members; however, my comment was addressing the specific suggestion of aggregating community-sourced blogs in a blog 'planet' on the project site, not on the wider experience. If we did that, the fact of there being many posts from many people about Diaspora would in itself show that the project is alive and moving.

The other parts of the interface, as you call it, such as the pod-choosing tool, can certainly be improved to help the process of bringing people in to Diaspora, but that is something separate from the specific point about community blogs I was addressing. To show that this decentralised project is alive and moving, we don't need the blog posts to be written by a central 'Diaspora HQ' on the official blog; they can be written by other people on their personal blogs, and displayed on the Diaspora site in the 'planet'.

Hope that makes more sense.

DU

[deactivated account] Mon 8 Dec 2014 5:05PM

@goob I see, yes, now you made it more crystal-clear. I totally agree on your above points: aggregation in the planet is the way to go. I agree with you because the whole idea of decentralisation is maintained, and that's one of the things diaspora* is about: "unity in diversity", even though it's a stereotype atm