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New informational resources about decentralized governance, as well as new tools, are being discovered by Unicorns constantly. We should hold a governance circle meeting as a place for discussing new governance experiments, mechanics that could be forked off other projects and tools to complement our ever-evolving set of software for distributed teamwork.

This is highlighted by our newest members, who seem very interested in the topic.

I want to run two decisions by you to kick off the meeting to set the time and build an agenda.

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Kay Sat 5 Jan 2019

I opted to use doodle instead of loomio for the Time poll

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Loie Sat 5 Jan 2019

love this! hope it is not named "governance meeting" or "governance circle meeting" - it's too confusing with already a confusing name for our actual governing meeting! Some options in my head: DAC Toolbox meeting, DAC Methods Meeting, Methods Meeting, Methodaology Meeting, Daology Meeting, Methodology Meeting, Governance Tools Meeting, Governance Toolbox Meeting, DeCent Gov, DeCent Governance, DAC in Practice (uh-oh, this one is def pronounced "dack" like quack..)

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Kris is Sat 5 Jan 2019

Haha, well I strrrrrongly recommend governance circle meeting.
My entire reasoning for renaming that meeting was to create space for an actual Governance Circle Meeting (this one), which Kay is now organizing, so hurray! That is THIS meeting. In this way we'll finally have a Meeting for our four circles (Comms/SC/Gov/DApp with their own documentation & processes) + the DAC/Community meeting. If you check the wiki update on staging (https://giveth-wiki-staging.netlify.com ) you will see this is now also the structure of the pages for documenting these 4 + 1 meetings. Same with Giveth.io site: 4+1. Both are for me actually a big part of the plan for bringing clarity in our comms. First proposed that for the wiki a year ago here in Thailand :)
This meeting is not to talk just about the tools or methods, it can start like this but I hope it will grow into more, into the meeting to model governance overall, for us & others, i.e. the Governance Circle Meeting. (see goals of the governance circle in the goals sheet https://docs.google.com/document/d/15bD4zWmNGseSehNMS2ZYVUcTGXKp3B-REFf8A-0B7Xs/edit?usp=sharing)

Ps. Re: 'Our actual governing meeting' -- that's indeed what that is, governing of the DAC. If you find the current one confusing I can actually check to bring it to DAC Meeting (my original proposal). But so that's not the Governance Circle.

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Josh Fairhead Sat 5 Jan 2019

Ohhhh this will be a fun share session! On the naming side of things community meeting seems like a strategy meet (rather than governance as previously called) and this sounds like a motion to follow governance meeting processes more carefully :) looking forward to it. I guess to prepare I'll gather links on a wiki page, if people are interested in them we can collaborate on stuff!

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Kay started a score poll Sat 5 Jan 2019

How to call the meeting Closed Tue 8 Jan 2019

Governance circle meeting is lame and confusing - here are some options I like, or add your own.

30 - gov-lab
2 - governance-chat
9 - Governance Circle Meeting
0 - ok weird it only lets you add an option after you voted once
10 - Strategy Meeting
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Kay Sat 5 Jan 2019

9 - gov-lab
0 - governance-chat
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Kris is Sat 5 Jan 2019

9 - Governance Circle Meeting
0 - governance-chat
0 - gov-lab

Plz see the reasoning I wrote down in the thread - personally find this a pretty important one, it's why we're rewriting site & wiki the way we are doing right now - to bring clarity & focus for ourselves and for the outside world.

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Josh Fairhead Sat 5 Jan 2019

0 - Governance Circle Meeting
0 - governance-chat
0 - gov-lab

I'm unsure what this meeting will turn into, so lets name it once we start to see some patterns? It depends what people want out of it. Gov-lab sounds like a fun place to run excersises, which I was suggesting to Kris the other day. I'd really really like to practice governance patterns like music - running excersises slowly with nearly inconsequential decisions (and thus outcomes). The point being to build the correct reflexive memory for more important things: https://vimeo.com/270452641

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Loie Sun 6 Jan 2019

9 - gov-lab
0 - Governance Circle Meeting
0 - governance-chat

kay i think you forgot to click the "allow participants to add options" box

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Griff Green Sun 6 Jan 2019

4 - gov-lab
2 - governance-chat
0 - Governance Circle Meeting

I'm with Josh, let's see how the naming evolves, I know there is a lot interest in a Strategy meeting... maybe tools and strategy can be one meeting combined?

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Griff Green Sun 6 Jan 2019

6 - Strategy Meeting
4 - gov-lab
2 - governance-chat
0 - ok weird it only lets you add an option after you voted once
0 - Governance Circle Meeting

I'm with Josh, let's see how the naming evolves, I know there is a lot interest in a Strategy meeting... maybe tools and strategy can be one meeting combined?

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Kris is Sun 6 Jan 2019

7 - Governance Circle Meeting
2 - gov-lab
1 - governance-chat
0 - Strategy Meeting
0 - ok weird it only lets you add an option after you voted once

see the reasoning I wrote down in the thread - personally find this a pretty important one, it's why we're rewriting site & wiki the way we are doing right now - to bring clarity & focus for ourselves and for the outside world.
Edit - adapted vote slightly, good point by Josh, we don't know yet what this meeting will be, so giving some points to the current majority 馃檪

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Kris is Sun 6 Jan 2019

7 - Governance Circle Meeting
2 - gov-lab
0 - governance-chat
0 - Strategy Meeting
0 - ok weird it only lets you add an option after you voted once

see the reasoning I wrote down in the thread - personally find this a pretty important one, it's why we're rewriting site & wiki the way we are doing right now - to bring clarity & focus for ourselves and for the outside world.
Edit - adapted vote slightly, good point by Josh, we don't know yet what this meeting will be, so giving some points to the current majority 馃檪

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Bowen Sanders Mon 7 Jan 2019

6 - gov-lab
4 - Strategy Meeting
2 - Governance Circle Meeting
0 - ok weird it only lets you add an option after you voted once
0 - governance-chat
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Loie Sun 6 Jan 2019

I like Gov Lab!

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Loie Sun 6 Jan 2019

@krisd i see how strongly you are holding onto this from your role in comms. Interestingly you are going against the advice process to keep pushing this so strong. To ignore the reasoned-out perspective of a governance person and mess up names of the work they hold wisdom on and are affected by is pretty against advice process... not sure if you realized what you are doing so perhaps it helps that i point it out here :)

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Kris is Sun 6 Jan 2019

Hey loie, how can I go against the advice process by giving advice from my role? And what reasoned out perspective am I ignoring? I thought that was exactly what I was doing, providing reasoning on why. Does taking the time to explain why I find this important mean that I'm pushing something too strongly? Also don't understand what you mean with 'mess up names of the work they hold wisdom on', as the name Kay started out was actually gov circle meeting.

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Michael Roberts Mon 7 Jan 2019

I like this idea - best to try it out and see it evolve in terms of frequency, naming etc. To be honest, depending on how broadly it goes, this may not be that different from what I was thinking in terms of the 'events' since I was ultimately seeing this as a place to share and learn, and discuss as well.

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Kay Mon 7 Jan 2019

Time has been found for 1st meeting

gov-lab1

Wednesday, Jan 9th, 16:00 Barcelona === 21:00 Bangkok === 06:00 Los Angeles (more timezones: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20190109T1400)

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Michael Roberts started a ranked choice Thu 10 Jan 2019

Learning Fun Online Event - CEO of Mozilla Foundation chats with Giveth Closed Wed 16 Jan 2019

The event is part of a series of informal learning events at Giveth that are designed to be fun, optional, and informative where anyone at Giveth can propose a topic or speaker. The speaker could be someone from Giveth as well with knowledge to share. In this case the CEO of Mozilla Foundation (essentially they promote open source and the open web) is coming to chat with us. In preparation, if you have questions or topics you would like to see addressed please add them below and we can rank them as a group in terms of what we most want to get out of this chat.

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Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network? 9 0 12
 
Topic: How is Mozilla engaging Blockchain esp. projects with Ethereum? (Background see: Mozilla Internet Health report which mentions blockchain - https://d20x8vt12bnfa2.cloudfront.net/InternetHealthReport_v01.pdf) 1 5 6
 
Topic: Culture - how does the culture in a company promoting freedom/open access differ from others you've experienced? How does the outer mission mirror on the inside? Any specific tools/agreements that uphold that integrity? 0 4 2
 
What role do you believe the blockchain (r)evolution will play when it comes to open source software dev and how can we protect this space from being taken over by corporations (=centralizing forces) 0 1 1
 
Topic: How has Mark evolved his thinking on organizational structure, decision-making protocols, and community participation based on learnings from being a leader in the open source community development space? 0 0 0
 
Could you tell us more about how you believe community and 'people first' are crucial in an organization? (//Giveth is a DAC) 0 0 0
 
Topic: Dealing with overbearing employment regulation? 0 0 0
 
How do you protect your values? How do you safeguard these vs commercial survival (google search before) 0 0 0
 
Topic: Funding open source projects, are there successful models? 0 0 0
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Loie Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: How is Mozilla engaging Blockchain esp. projects with Ethereum? (Background see: Mozilla Internet Health report which mentions blockchain - https://d20x8vt12bnfa2.cloudfront.net/InternetHealthReport_v01.pdf)
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Loie Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: Culture - how does the culture in a company promoting freedom/open access differ from others you've experienced? How does the outer mission mirror on the inside? Any specific tools/agreements that uphold that integrity?
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Loie Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: Culture - how does the culture in a company promoting freedom/open access differ from others you've experienced? How does the outer mission mirror on the inside? Any specific tools/agreements that uphold that integrity?
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Kris is Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: How is Mozilla engaging Blockchain esp. projects with Ethereum? (Background see: Mozilla Internet Health report which mentions blockchain - https://d20x8vt12bnfa2.cloudfront.net/InternetHealthReport_v01.pdf)
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Griff Green Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: How is Mozilla engaging Blockchain esp. projects with Ethereum? (Background see: Mozilla Internet Health report which mentions blockchain - https://d20x8vt12bnfa2.cloudfront.net/InternetHealthReport_v01.pdf)

man all of the above

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Josh Fairhead Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: How is Mozilla engaging Blockchain esp. projects with Ethereum? (Background see: Mozilla Internet Health report which mentions blockchain - https://d20x8vt12bnfa2.cloudfront.net/InternetHealthReport_v01.pdf)

I'm interested in the scaling of their org and how they are seeing the world of blockchain.

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Bowen Sanders Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: How is Mozilla engaging Blockchain esp. projects with Ethereum? (Background see: Mozilla Internet Health report which mentions blockchain - https://d20x8vt12bnfa2.cloudfront.net/InternetHealthReport_v01.pdf)
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Dani Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: Culture - how does the culture in a company promoting freedom/open access differ from others you've experienced? How does the outer mission mirror on the inside? Any specific tools/agreements that uphold that integrity?
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Loie Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: Growing the Mozilla Network: How did Mozilla build out its community from something focused mainly on the Firefox browser, to a community of nearly 10,000 Mozillians around the world supporting Mozilla in a very organic and decentralized manner? What can Giveth learn from this in terms of growing its network?
 
2 - Topic: Culture - how does the culture in a company promoting freedom/open access differ from others you've experienced? How does the outer mission mirror on the inside? Any specific tools/agreements that uphold that integrity?
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Kay Thu 10 Jan 2019

 
1 - Topic: How is Mozilla engaging Blockchain esp. projects with Ethereum? (Background see: Mozilla Internet Health report which mentions blockchain - https://d20x8vt12bnfa2.cloudfront.net/InternetHealthReport_v01.pdf)
 
2 - What role do you believe the blockchain (r)evolution will play when it comes to open source software dev and how can we protect this space from being taken over by corporations (=centralizing forces)

A great set of questions here! Thanks Michael!