Rebranding the Governance Meeting to Giveth DAC Meeting
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Tension: While reworking the wiki with Josh I'm again seeing that the naming of this meeting can be confusing, it always has been to me. It would be great if the governance circle would organize governance meetings to discuss all things happening in the governance circle that is linked to its goals (internal & external gov experimentation), but that is not exactly what we do in this meeting. We sometimes use the holacratic governance meeting model for this meeting - and that is probably why we use this name - but very often it is a fireside chat as well. What this meeting is about is the 'management' of the Giveth DAC, so that is how I propose to name it, so people know what to expect during such a meeting.
We have a Comms Circle Meeting, Social Coding Circle Meeting and DApp Dev Circle Meeting. We have no Governance Circle Meeting (which was a conscious decision at the time). We do have a meeting to discuss the overall governance of the Giveth DAC that comprises these four circles. This is the Giveth DAC Meeting.
Proposal:
Rename our weekly Governance Meeting to Giveth DAC Meeting.
If this passes I will take it upon me to change the naming in the appropriate places.
This will help people to distinguish better between governance initiatives and experimentation (which they can model for their own DAO/DACs) and Giveth DAC activities. (will make nav on the wiki easier/clearer too!)
Kris is Wed 12 Dec 2018 10:12PM
yup, hence the proposal. I'm mostly kinda involved, but we all should be, will also take some of the workload away from griff and/or at least allow us to document them even more.
Loie Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:30PM
aaand I'm wary of this phenomenon of "let's rename this cuz then it feels like we're making real change!" ... I'm not saying that's for sure what's happening here, but I have been scouring as you can see and I can't find another reason to do this rename, so I'm not attracted to renaming it, I think it'll create a false sense of productivity. If we want a meeting that acts as "the gov circle meeting" in the ways you describe we are missing, Kris, then why don't we just start that meeting?
Kris is Wed 12 Dec 2018 10:14PM
:) hell yes! and I think you should lead it actually :) or be a very active participant, like me. So no, big time not a 'fake sense of productivity' proposal, just a small tiny change to create clarity for outsiders and a space for more governance circle initiatives.
Bowen Sanders Fri 14 Dec 2018 8:32PM
Do we have evidence of any outsiders being confused by calling our gov meeting a gov meeting?
Loie Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:30PM
I would maybe be more into this proposal if there was built in a proposal to start that meeting, ie: "Move general governance modalities and tools discussion to the name Governance Meeting and host the previously named gov meeting at this new name: xxxx"
Kris is Wed 12 Dec 2018 10:16PM
That could have been the proposal, but it isn't. Because I don't have the bandwidth to lead such an extra meeting. I would however be a very, very active participant. Renaming the meeting to what it actually is, is however my domain (clear/correct comms), hence that limited tiny proposal, to kick it off. ;-)
Kris is Wed 12 Dec 2018 10:51PM
Comment to @michaelroberts - I think you give a perfect explanation of what the Giveth DAC meeting should be and well, actually already is :) Reason however to not call it a team meeting is bcs we're not a team, we're a (decentralized altruistic) community. :) The difference (apart from the corporate connotations) is as griff mentions: we don't do closed meetings, the entire community is welcome. Another topic that to me is linked to the community aspect of that meeting is our values. (the fact that we're value-based makes that we are not a DAO but a DAC). The most interesting discussions we had during that meeting were to me at its core linked to values anyways.
Kay Thu 13 Dec 2018 3:37PM
Thank you Kris for opening this discussion! Actually I don't care sooo much about branding of the meeting, but as the attentive Loomio reader knows, reducing dependency on this meeting was one of the prime goals when we started to use Loomio.
In that sense - this meeting should have gotten a fresh coat of paint long ago - along with a customized agenda that fits best our needs.
Recently I suggested some other types of meetings with different timeframes and it would be nice to discuss this further - these are really topics that could also be integrated into the DAC meeting and don't have to be standalone:
- Strategy Meeting
- Roles Meeting
- Something regular about code, troubleshooting, nerdstuff
- Updates about finance, opportunities, circle activity, ...
This might seem a lot, but could divvy it out among the meetings and maybe make another day in the week an alternating topic meeting. We tried this before, but with different people - maybe even newer Unicorns want to host a meeting?
Kris is Thu 13 Dec 2018 4:42PM
To keep things transparent and easy I'd divide up these very good points indeed under the existing meetings.. some of this fits in the DAC meeting, some in social coding, some in dapp, some in a hopefully future governance circle meeting I'd say. My only goal is to create the space to have such an extra meeting in the future, when we do.. the circle is round ;-) and we have a tight structure with lots of room to experiment in those meetings with the content.
Loie · Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:24PM
I do however see these: "At the same time, when we run into problems with our projects, we look outwards and unite people through initiatives such as scaling, signaling, block explorers and the decentralization of everything!" and wish there was a place that was more accessible to talk about all of these things, when I read these initiative examples it feels distant to think of a place where these are openly discussed, I usually just overhear Griff talking about them in his various meetings and doesn't feel like people are being actively invited into this convo within Giveth despite it being a big part of our goals...