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October 7th, 2019 22:26

Re-balance contributions to HL++

cstewart000
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Please follow discussion on #supporters channel

Hackland and HL++ are operated under separate leases. Hackland memberships subsidise the weekly rent.

Resident contributions at HL++ were set high to enable HL++ to be launched. Now that there is adequate monies coming in from regular member contributions we would like to have the contribution re-balanced to make things fairer.

Hackland membership fees currently account for $265 of $1,050 weekly rent for HL ++

We are seeking that this contribution increase $50/week to $315 per week for use of the workshop in the short term.

cstewart000

cstewart000 started a proposal October 7th, 2019 22:29

Increase contribution to HL++ by $50/week Closed 11:02am - Tuesday 22 Oct 2019

Agreeing will mean that an additional $50/week from memberships will go towards paying rent of 48c (HL++). Disagreeing will keep contributions heavily biased to residents.

Results
Agree - 9
Abstain - 0
Disagree - 0
Block - 1
-33 people have voted (-400%)
cstewart000

cstewart000
Agree
October 7th, 2019 22:30

Hamish MacDonald

Hamish MacDonald
Agree
October 7th, 2019 22:38

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke
Block
October 12th, 2019 23:01

I wish it to be first clarified under what rules Hackland is leasing the HL+++ space (though I am in favour of these contributions to be fair)

Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke started a poll October 12th, 2019 23:11

Under what model do we want Hackland+++ to run? Closed 12:02pm - Wednesday 16 Oct 2019

Outcome
by Jorån Kikke October 16th, 2019 00:03

Great ideas, thanks for taking part, here's my attempt at a summary from this:

1) lets have some irl meetings, I think this is universally a good idea

2) lets make the 6 hour rule clearer no matter what - it's not super clear what you should do or that you're responsible for putting stuff back

3) people are generally in favour for both sides of the space running the same (?)

4) area champions / teams

5) people are not in favour of one persion having control over the whole side

There exists an unwritten difference in the way each building operates - lets try and codify how we want +++ to operate (we could experiment with different models there if we want)

0 - Benevalont Dictator - one persion can guide the formation of this part of the space into what they feel is best
7 - As similar to how HL1 operates as possible
1 - Entirely rented project spaces - no general member access
0 - anarchy
5 - Have multiple benevolent dictators (work area champions) for each discipline - ie a champion for fabric, casting, metalwork, electronics area etc so each space is maintained
5 - Amend 6hr rule to include encourage discussion before change is done
4 - Maybe have the occasional meeting (irl) where people can discuss major changes, pitch ideas etc etc....
Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke October 12th, 2019 23:30

As similar to how HL1 operates as possible

I thing being able to change the space is a core value of the Hackland thing

A

Anonymous October 13th, 2019 00:08

As similar to how HL1 operates as possible
cstewart000

cstewart000 October 13th, 2019 00:21

I am postponing (If I can figure out how) until the definition of HL++ running is clarified. Under which this discussion is to be persued.

A

Anonymous October 13th, 2019 00:25

A

Anonymous October 13th, 2019 00:32

Amend 6hr rule to include encourage discussion before change is done
As similar to how HL1 operates as possible
A

Anonymous October 13th, 2019 01:04

What’s Hackland+++, is it the same as Hackland++? Can’t find another way to comment on a poll.

A

Anonymous October 13th, 2019 08:53

Have multiple benevolent dictators (work area champions) for each discipline - ie a champion for fabric, casting, metalwork, electronics area etc so each space is maintained
Entirely rented project spaces - no general member access
As similar to how HL1 operates as possible
Karsten Sperling

Karsten Sperling
Agree
October 13th, 2019 09:36

A

Anonymous October 13th, 2019 09:46

Amend 6hr rule to include encourage discussion before change is done
As similar to how HL1 operates as possible
A

Anonymous October 14th, 2019 00:50

Maybe have the occasional meeting (irl) where people can discuss major changes, pitch ideas etc etc....
Have multiple benevolent dictators (work area champions) for each discipline - ie a champion for fabric, casting, metalwork, electronics area etc so each space is maintained
A

Anonymous October 14th, 2019 01:54

Maybe have the occasional meeting (irl) where people can discuss major changes, pitch ideas etc etc....
Amend 6hr rule to include encourage discussion before change is done
Have multiple benevolent dictators (work area champions) for each discipline - ie a champion for fabric, casting, metalwork, electronics area etc so each space is maintained
A

Anonymous October 14th, 2019 02:20

As similar to how HL1 operates as possible

A

Anonymous October 14th, 2019 03:46

Have multiple benevolent dictators (work area champions) for each discipline - ie a champion for fabric, casting, metalwork, electronics area etc so each space is maintained
A

Anonymous October 14th, 2019 22:58

As similar to how HL1 operates as possible
A

Anonymous October 15th, 2019 05:55

As similar to how HL1 operates as possible
Amend 6hr rule to include encourage discussion before change is done
Maybe have the occasional meeting (irl) where people can discuss major changes, pitch ideas etc etc....
A

Anonymous October 15th, 2019 19:31

Maybe have the occasional meeting (irl) where people can discuss major changes, pitch ideas etc etc....
Amend 6hr rule to include encourage discussion before change is done
Have multiple benevolent dictators (work area champions) for each discipline - ie a champion for fabric, casting, metalwork, electronics area etc so each space is maintained
Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke started a proposal October 16th, 2019 00:17

Clearer 6 hour rule Closed 1:03pm - Wednesday 23 Oct 2019

I propose changing the rule to read as shown here: https://github.com/HakLand/Constitution/pull/5/files

"Change and experimentation is more than welcome, even if you’re not sure how it will end up, but if any change to the space would take longer than 6 hours for you to put back as it was, please create a loomio proposal before doing it.

If people do not like the changes you have made, they may undo them or ask that you help put things back to how they were - it's therefore a good idea to first ask people and get them onboard with the changes.

Also, you can use anything in the space for anything you’d like - parts or as part of another project - but if it has a DO NOT HACK sticker on it please leave it alone because it’s probably important."

Results
Agree - 7
Abstain - 0
Disagree - 0
Block - 0
-40 people have voted (-600%)
Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke
Agree
October 16th, 2019 00:17

Slightly clearer so yay

Sarah Tanfield

Sarah Tanfield
Agree
October 16th, 2019 00:19

Hamish MacDonald

Hamish MacDonald
Agree
October 16th, 2019 05:04

Tom

Tom
Agree
October 16th, 2019 23:15

Which bits are unclear?

Karsten Sperling

Karsten Sperling
Agree
October 16th, 2019 23:16

Mr CK

Mr CK
Agree
October 17th, 2019 23:46

Helena

Helena
Agree
October 19th, 2019 00:53

Robbie Cameron

Robbie Cameron
Agree
October 20th, 2019 21:04

Simon

Simon
Agree
October 20th, 2019 21:09

Sarah Tanfield

Sarah Tanfield
Agree
October 20th, 2019 21:23

JW

John Wagner
Agree
October 20th, 2019 21:46

Mr CK

Mr CK
Agree
October 20th, 2019 23:46

baptiste

baptiste
Agree
October 21st, 2019 23:59