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Mon 18 Feb 2019 9:19AM

FairShares fish and chips shop?

C Cliff Public Seen by 91

The Fish and chips shop is for sale in my village, Robin Hoods Bay. The asking price is £525K and includes a cafe and a three bedroom flat. I met with the owners on Saturday and they have had an offer from a London chain who would employ (not necc local) workers at minimum wages to run it. The owners would be interested in selling to a FairShares company who would involve the community, employ local people (including my son in law who already works there) and use the accommodation for local young people (at the moment we are losing a lot of property to holiday lets). But not sure the owners would give us too much time as they already have a cash offer. We are willing to use our own property to help raise the money. Thanks to @Gavin who has already offered to help and bring in ideas of sustained fishing. Any other offers of help greatly appreciated. (edited)

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Maureen McCulloch Wed 20 Feb 2019 10:04AM

Why?

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Cliff Wed 20 Feb 2019 10:10AM

I was contacted by a field worker and they were told this by their Business Manager Donna Smith so she was not sure. Half of me wants to set up a meeting and the other half thinks that we might be wasting our time ....

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Maureen McCulloch Wed 20 Feb 2019 10:15AM

It can be a multi-stakeholder co-op under FairShares and that is compatible with Plunkett's models. I don't want you to waste your time but I think it might be worth pursuing - plus it would be very good for Plunkett to know about FairShares because they deal with so many community co-ops.

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Natasha Almond Wed 20 Feb 2019 10:22AM

I agree with Maureen that it's worth pursuing if only to educate them around the model?

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Rory (as User) Thu 21 Feb 2019 7:56AM

Send them this file.

And this link:

https://sites.google.com/view/fairsharesrules/cooperatives

And ask why a multistakeholder cooperative model accepted by the FCA, and respected by Mr Hyungsik Eum, ICA strategist (after presentation to the ICA think tank), would be incompatible with Plunkett’s model?

Good luck
Rory

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Graham Thu 21 Feb 2019 8:59AM

From what I read this opportunity is all about how much time you've got. The vendor has a cash offer on the table and the clock is ticking. It sounds like they are sympathetic to a community-owned approach, but right now you've nothing more concrete than that to offer them. For me the first step is to understand more clearly from the vendor how much time you have. If you are serious about making this happen and believe that you can make it happen, and can convey that, they might be willing to give you a few months. If so, then you've got a fighting chance. If they want to get it sorted more quickly then you are going to struggle. I did a community buy-out some years back and it all went really smoothly, and it still took 16 weeks. Having said that i love the idea of a community-owned chippy. I think my approach would be to set aside potential issues around the Fairshares model for the time being. If you can get the backing of Plunkett for the project that would a) give comfort to the vendor, and b) open doors to other backers that could smooth the path - Key Fund springs to mind. Given the timing constraint, you might need to do it two steps: An org like Key Fund buys the business with a commitment to sell on the new co-op once it is in place? Just a thought.

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A Waterhouse Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:49AM

A sufficient source of autonomous finance is needed, with advisors that understand democratic enterprises. Also required are people who know that there are cooperative options to realise an enterprise and who want to it in this
way. There might be a vague sentimental feel among some of the public about cooperation, much rarer are people who choose this as an option. It seems as an outsider of the cooperative development circles, that they are waiting for the rare punters. This
has been countered in a limited way by the emergence of community benefit societies which has allowed what might have been framed in other ways to take a coop form, this sees a growth area.

Cooperative development might benefit if able to reach out way beyond insiders and try to improve engagement to a wider public, this will require both explaining to possibility of coops and also listening to people.
There are promising developments, SolidFund, Fair shares, P6, all at an early stage of development, these themselves might become a stage from which a more proactive development modal could be built. Potential pioneers can be
nested in these and when opportunities arise these can then be supported so that a new generation of coops can be launched from an association of coops acting though shared secondary instruments. This might be by boosting and revitalising what already exists
or and a new generation of secondary coops.

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Cliff Thu 21 Feb 2019 1:24PM

Thanks for the comments. I have one other advantage, 12 years ago I persuaded the village to set up its own Broadband Coop which has been running successfully www.rhbmesh.net (if anyone is interested ) so there is some awareness and confidence in community owned businesses here already. will keep you all updated and keep asking for your advice!

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A Waterhouse Thu 21 Feb 2019 5:00PM

Thats good, seems you have a base to build upon, best of luck.

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Cliff Fri 22 Feb 2019 9:50AM

Dear all. I have just been informed that the owners have accepted a cash offer and so the that is the end of that. But the process has raised a couple of issues. One it has exposed how little organisations like the Plunkett Foundation understand FairShares, and hopefully they will respond to the emails Rory and I have sent them, and the other raised by AW that we need to be geared up better with a fund/ support etc ready to take advantages of opportunities such as this. So thanks to all for the support and emails that I received this week.

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