General presentation of the loomio's group

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If you want to modify this document, go there : https://docs.google.com/document/d/10CSLuoQwHpQc4UeO1MVPADTUHTzEZ1daDmRIZjV4qNc/edit?usp=sharing

Objective

The goal is to create an ecosystem of interconnected independent open source applications easy to use, install, configure and contribute to. This ecosystem will enable :
* the new economic and social system to come.
* to connect those who are building and using open systems.
* individuals with the same goal to work together.

Analysis

Open source softwares exist, but are isolated. Therefore, having access to them is difficult : you have to install them on a server, know and remember the URL, create a user account and explain to the persons you are working with how they can join you, so they need to make a new account.

Platforms of apps like Sandstorm or Cloudron exist, groups using them are isolated from other groups or potential other contributors.

Our actions to fulfill the objective

Feel free to join them !

Single Sign On (SSO) : An SSO provide the capacity to log to several apps with a unique account.
Building a User Interface (UI) Component Library : Help tiny open app to develop.

RESOURCES we use

Digital TOOLS

GUIDE : How to contribute

To contribute to the Open App Ecosystem, it's really simple :

Your ACTION may fulfill the global OBJECTIVE which is to create an ecosystem of interconnected independent open source applications easy to use, install, configure and contribute to.
If it does, add it in the wekan
In the For NEWCOMMERS column you will find a GUIDE to add an ACTION to make it as easy to understand as possible.

Draft Mon 14 Aug 2017 4:53PM

Apparently Net cloud is a good alternative, but I can't say as I didn't test it yet.

Have you ?

Greg Cassel Sun 13 Aug 2017 5:46PM

P.S. I generally agree with Bob's and Lynn's concerns about Google Docs. (I didn't consider that in my very specific and quick "vote".)

Bob Haugen Sun 13 Aug 2017 7:13PM

We're experimenting with @funkycram 's suggestions. @jimwhitescarver you might want to add your organization(s) to this doc:
https://hackmd.communecter.org/MYFgzMCGAMCcIFoAmsBswEgEZYEwK1gEZYFdytolhpUAzSMIA===

[edit] You probably need some access permissions, which you can probably get from funkycram...

Marc Farré Sun 13 Aug 2017 8:35PM

@gregorycassel @bobhaugen @jimwhitescarver @lynnfoster
Our new "Google drive" open alternative (Nextcloud on our server) has just been launch : https://cloud.openappecosystem.cc/index.php/s/ySqpaoi6AGuZzsx
Feel free testing it.

For https://hackmd.communecter.org , you need an account to edit, but registration is open : just enter a username and password, click on "register" and enter your username and password again to login.

I'm sorry for not taking part to all the Loomio discussions, but I don't have enough time to both participate to the debates and code. So when needed a technical information, contact me preferentially on https://chat.lescommuns.org/channel/open.apps.ecosystem or in private message in this chat. Thanks.

Greg Cassel Sun 13 Aug 2017 8:37PM

Regarding potential Google Docs alternatives: They sometimes lack one or more of the specific features of Google Docs, such as selection-based commentary which I find extremely helpful during RFC/ request for comments phases. (Sometimes, the alternatives also have extra functions of IMO variable usefulness.) However, my main concern really with collaborative editing is data security.

Google Docs creates a good deal of data security IMO by being a longstanding feature of a wealthy corporate monolith. I'm confident that my Google Docs aren't likely to disappear for a very long time, if ever. Alternatives definitely vary on this front.

Ideally, a collaborative editing app should enable people to easily export all data in a reasonably readable (or ready-to-use) format. (For instance, by using structural metadata which directly links selection-based comments to the selections they were attached to.) If an app did this-- allowed easy, effective & complete export-- then I'd be much less concerned about data security.

Bob Haugen Sun 13 Aug 2017 8:45PM

At least some of the document styles in https://cloud.openappecosystem.cc/index.php/s/ySqpaoi6AGuZzsx (like that one) allow selection-based comments.

Marc Farré Sun 13 Aug 2017 8:45PM

I have installed https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/ for ODT files editing. It support changes recording, multiple users editing in the same time and selection-based commentary.
Backups are done every day. Files are standard ODT files, you can edit them on your local computer with Libre Office.

Bob Haugen Sun 13 Aug 2017 8:47PM

@funkycram 's comment arrived just as I was posting mine, but I can confirm selection-based comments...

Poll Created Fri 11 Aug 2017 9:46PM

Shall we put this description ? Closed Mon 14 Aug 2017 9:56PM