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February 28th, 2019 21:55

Hackland as Temporary Accommodation

Jonathon Shields
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Should Hackland be able to be used as temporary accommodation?

Jonathon Shields

Jonathon Shields started a poll February 28th, 2019 22:03

Should Hackland provide temporary accommodation for members? Closed 10:02am - Monday 4 Mar 2019

Outcome
by Jonathon Shields March 5th, 2019 19:28

So it appears that 9 people voted to not allow people to stay the night at Hackland. And perhaps this should be the immediate outcome. 5 and 4 people interested in allowing emergency accommodation and using this as a potential income source respectively. Let's continue this discussion and look at other possible options (like maybe if people agree we could build an Airbnb that we use to fund Hackland).

We have had several people talk about this on Slack so far and I believe we have had multiple stay at Hackland now. Let's talk about it.

9 - No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.
5 - Yes, but only in an emergency situation for a maximum of two nights stay
4 - People that stay should contribute koha on top of membership for a nights stay.
0 - Yes. No limits to stay.
0 - Yes. I am keen to help build a hostel in Hackland.
0 - Yes! Start another poll to determine how long and how often people can stay.
Simon

Simon February 28th, 2019 22:15

No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.

I'm between "No" and "Yes, but only in an emergency" but for members only. There could be legal issues with "Yes. No limits", since it's the commercial side of the building. I've read about this occurring in other maker spaces overseas and it became an ongoing issue. The issue I have is that you are expected to be quite while others are sleeping/resting, even if that's not the official case.

Steve Hind

Steve Hind February 28th, 2019 22:21

Yes, but only in an emergency situation for a maximum of two nights stay

I'm sure I'm not the only one that would feel uncomfortable if there were people sleeping/living in the space.

Jonathon Shields

Jonathon Shields February 28th, 2019 22:22

No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.

I think that the decision to let people stay here, even in the case of emergency accommodation could open the floodgates to staying for longer or having more frequent "emergencies". But, in the case where we as a collective agree on this then I absolutely think that people staying should absolutely chip in to help keep hackland afloat (it doesn't have to be hostel prices, but definitely more than a standard membership fee).

Helena

Helena February 28th, 2019 22:23

People that stay should contribute koha on top of membership for a nights stay.
Yes, but only in an emergency situation for a maximum of two nights stay

I would even say 1 night (maybe specified in a timeframe like 1 month or 3 months?) in an emergency. It’s a weird social situation with running into people asleep etc. and agree with what Simon says on most people wanting to be respectful with sleeping people. That’s really not the point of a hackspace, people should feel welcome to work and tinker there and it should feel like everyone‘s shared space.

Helena

Helena February 28th, 2019 22:26

No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.
People that stay should contribute koha on top of membership for a nights stay.

I would even say 1 night (maybe specified in a timeframe like 1 month or 3 months?) in an emergency. It’s a weird social situation with running into people asleep etc. and agree with what Simon says on most people wanting to be respectful with sleeping peole. Members should feel welcome to work and tinker there and it should feel like everyone‘s shared space.
Edit: Reading Jono‘s response it might be easier to outright rule it out. An exception to the rule might be better

AndroidBloke

AndroidBloke February 28th, 2019 22:30

People that stay should contribute koha on top of membership for a nights stay.
Steve Hind

Steve Hind February 28th, 2019 22:41

No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.
Yes, but only in an emergency situation for a maximum of two nights stay

I'm sure I'm not the only one that would feel uncomfortable if there were people sleeping/living in the space.

cstewart000

cstewart000 February 28th, 2019 23:13

Yes, but only in an emergency situation for a maximum of two nights stay
R B

R B February 28th, 2019 23:14

People that stay should contribute koha on top of membership for a nights stay.
No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.

Not what a hackspace is for. I'm keen on helping setup a pod hostel somewhere else tho. If people do "fall asleep while working" overnight they should provide a koha. We shouldn't make a bed.

DU

[deactivated account] February 28th, 2019 23:26

Yes! Start another poll to determine how long and how often people can stay.

How long people can stay should relate to their specific circumstances, and how much room we have. If there is a lot of consistent demand, why not start Hackland Hostel?

Tom

Tom March 1st, 2019 01:37

No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.

Sorry, but having people asleep/living in the space isn't ideal from a tool library perspective. There was someone asleep in the storage space today (during "business" hours), didn't want to wake them, and would certainly feel a bit weird showing potential members around when there's a dude coma'd out to space videos.

DU

[deactivated account] March 1st, 2019 01:42

Yes, but only in an emergency situation for a maximum of two nights stay
AndroidBloke

AndroidBloke March 1st, 2019 06:22

Tom, that dude coma'd out it in the storage space was me. I converted the storage space into a relaxation room/quiet with an Osim Body Massager and an Osim back and neck/shoulder massager. If people are not keen on the idea it can be undone in 5 minutes, but so far all the feedback has been positive. And I was coma'd out because I fell asleep whilst using the back massager and watching a video.
Also, I saw that you and Steve were doing a lot of physically demanding work in the Hackland wood shop and might want a good massage after all that labour. So please try out the massagers in the relaxation room before passing final judgement. In regards to feeling weird about showing people around, I can remove the massagers and it will once again be a storage room full of clutter that will eventually be converted into something. Or, until that happens, it stays the relaxation room, an oasis that members can escape to if they want a massage and/or a quiet space to recharge. Cheers!

Tom

Tom March 1st, 2019 07:59

Hey man, didn't realise you were just relaxing when I first saw you, and given the poll's wording, and having noticed a few (other) people sleeping upstairs the other night, I assumed that Hackland was making some decisions regarding whether it's a good idea, in general, to have people stay the night. I personally think this is a bit of a slippery slope and not something that we should, in general, encourage. But that's just me.

Karsten Sperling

Karsten Sperling March 1st, 2019 09:28

No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.
Robbie Cameron

Robbie Cameron March 1st, 2019 20:21

Yes, but only in an emergency situation for a maximum of two nights stay
No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.
Jorån Kikke

Jorån Kikke March 1st, 2019 22:15

People that stay should contribute koha on top of membership for a nights stay.
Yes, but only in an emergency situation for a maximum of two nights stay

I think it's an interesting experiment we can try which might evolve into a new separate thing

Tom

Tom March 2nd, 2019 00:32

And yes, in general I feel like that room could do with a makeover, happy to help if someone has clear plans for it. Relaxation chairs don't bother me at all, but re the wider question of people staying the night I still feel that, in general, it's a bad idea.

Linda Allan

Linda Allan March 3rd, 2019 20:04

No, that is not what a Hackspace is for.