Loomio
February 14th, 2016 10:04

We need to clarify the IT roles, and entrust our IT people.

Vincent
Vincent Public Seen by 625

IT volunteers who works on our infrastructure, security and resilience of our tools.

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk February 21st, 2016 19:22

I guess this role requires a minimum of IT skills...

What would they be ?

HgO

HgO March 1st, 2016 21:24

Could you define IT team ? Is it a bunch of people who have access to servers ? By this, do you just want to elect them at the GA ? But I thought we decided to avoid voting ? I am slightly confuse.

I think one of the mistakes we did in the past was to elect people in order to give them access to critical resources. So we had a very few guys working on IT, and when they left we were in trouble.

I think that the current IT team works well because we gave up those constraints. I am not saying that anybody in the Party can have freely access to servers, but the fact is that if I need some access, I'll just have to ask for it to the pirate in charge. Then, if he trusts me, he will eventually give me that access. Obviously, that's not a perfect situation, since I don't know what could happen on the long run, but at least we have a working IT team.

Vincent

Vincent March 2nd, 2016 11:51

There is a difference between the past situation and the current one: In this case we aim to empower an existing team instead of putting pressure on volunteers to obtain a predefined result.
I don't think we can clearly answer the following questions without a GA decision:

  • Who is allowed to access to the servers?
  • Who is allowed to access to the users data?
  • Who manages the domain names?
  • Who can we contact in case there is a problem with the IT resources?
  • Who is entitled to make decision impacting the current infrastructure?
  • Who can forbid a tool for security reason?
  • Who manages the access rights? On what basis?
Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse March 2nd, 2016 13:10

What is a «who» ... just a «nickname» or a «real person» with a suitable identity (eID? Member of a Web Of Trust?)

HgO

HgO March 2nd, 2016 16:51

Now I agree with this proposition :)

Regarding the roles, I'd like to have something similar to a liquid democracy : the GA entrust a bunch of people, but then those people can entrust other people without asking to the GA. All that we ask is that IT guys take full responsability on people that they decide to trust, and of course they must provide a public list of entrusted people.

But I guess this must be discussed in the draft zone, right ?

HgO

HgO started a proposal March 2nd, 2016 16:54

I endorse "We need to clarify the IT roles, and entrust our IT people" for the Drafting Zone Closed 9:35pm - Wednesday 2 Mar 2016

Results
Agree - 3
Abstain - 3
Disagree - 3
Block - 3
3 people have voted (6%)
HgO

HgO
Agree
March 2nd, 2016 16:54

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk March 2nd, 2016 18:30

I have a strong position on this one.. gonna try to make myself clear :)

The issue here is the same than the Financial :
- we cannot work without it
- we lack people in charge
This were we are with the IT

With Financials, we've been further :
- someone we can trust proposed himself
- we have accepted the proposal and accepted the mandate (during a Lab, around 10 Pirates involved)
- the GA will just confirm that fact

With IT, we can do the same :
- we already have have people actually doing IT stuffs
- it does implies a kind of mandate
- the GA could just confirm that fact

The main difference is the amount of people involved with the IT, and the wider range of issues IT has to deal with.

But in the end, we achieved Level 1.
We have ressources : skilled people and infra capabilities.
Level two is about organizing them.
That's what we should start thinking about.

Then, we will be able to present something to the GA that works, and having clear mandates.

Also, at another level, as long as there is no legal structure behind the Party, considering civil responsibilities or any "official something" is pointless.
We are all individually involved and responsible of anything about "Pirates" by the law as long as we don't have this structure.
It can be a decision from an assembly or 2 people in a room, it makes no differences.

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk March 2nd, 2016 18:33

I don't really know how to vote on this proposal. I don't think that could be a workable topic at the next GA, but still I agree on the fact that we need to go next step and clarify roles...

HgO

HgO March 2nd, 2016 18:46

I partly agree with you. You are right when you talk about similarities with the Financial team, but in IT we do need more people, and this team must be able to evolve dynamically. That's my main concern, and I'm afraid that we will get stuck if we need the AG's approval for every IT guy that we want to enrol. Hence my suggestion.

On the other hand, I agree that we definetly need a kind of mandate from the GA, that's why I'm ok to work on this topic.

Regarding the responsabilities, that's another issue. For now, let's just say that if trust is broken, the person responsible for that will lose all of his privileges on servers. That's just an idea, and it's of course open to discussion.

Besides, I don't understand you. The proposal is only there for saying that we do need a kind of entrustment protocol for the IT team. You just agreed on that, so ? I think that this topic needs to be addressed during this GA, even if we will probably not find a solution yet.

Valerie D.

Valerie D.
Agree
March 2nd, 2016 19:21

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse
Agree
March 2nd, 2016 20:04

The :monkey: asks to the working :bee: that the :lion_face: king wants a :tools: with some kind of :lock: against the :spy: and in the same time he wants the :spider: from the :spider_web: to respect transparency and privacy. This will be funny.

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk March 2nd, 2016 20:22

1/ Just to be accurate : we agree on the fact there is more people involved with IT.
As I said : "The main difference [between IT and Financials] is the amount of people involved with the IT, and the wider range of issues IT has to deal with".

2/ "I'm afraid that we will get stuck if we need the AG's approval for every IT guy that we want to enrol"
Yep !
Then I don't really get what you expect to come by having this topic on the next GA

3/ Responsabilities / Mandate / Trust
It's linked. People behind Financial are legaly involved the same way Infra is involved. At a certain moment, we need their name on the papers banks or providers give us. These responsibilities involve mandate, wich involves a legal structure.
But we don't have it.
Then what do we have ? Trust.
People we trust have their hands, and an access, on our sensitive stuffs (registrar, hosts, servers).
That means that in the end, it's just a bunch of people having trust on each others who actually rule the IT.

In short : we don't have what we need to talk about responsibilities or mandate, BUT we already have people we trust in charge.

The best thing we can do, in my POV, is indeed to empower the team in charge, not to question their work or how we trust them.

4/ "beside I don't understand you"
so yes, I totally agree on the empowerment thing, but no I don't think it's a topic for the Assembly

HgO

HgO March 2nd, 2016 21:20

Ok, so we agree on the same things as I can see :)

The title actually tells what I expect by putting this topic on the GA (that's why I didn't agree on the original one): we do need to entrust the IT team, and we do need to confirm that this is the way we want to continue the work. Also, this team seems to work quite well for the moment, but I don't know how it will look on the long run. I'm afraid that at the end, every pirate will get access to at least one service. For instance, I discovered that Alexis was an admin of the website (well, it doesn't matter since it's flawed anyway). I think that it's important to have a public list of pirates who have access to which service. We started the work on the wiki with the ITNow page, I think that's a great step forward, and I don't think I could say how much this helps.
So yes, I think we need a kind of protocol for enrolling in the IT team, and a set of rules (call them as you want) that would ensure the privacy of pirates, but also a certain transparency on this matter.

Moreover, I can easily imagine that we could use the GA for calling for new members. What are the skills needed ? I doubt that we have a sysadmin, for instance. Wouldn't it be great if we could find one after this GA ? :)

HgO

HgO March 2nd, 2016 21:23

@tierce Could you be a bit more explicit, please ? By this, do you want to say that privacy and transparency are incompatible ? But I wasn't talking about the same people ! I am talking about privacy of members and transparency of the IT team.
Maybe you meant something completely different, but that's very difficult to understand such messages.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse March 2nd, 2016 22:01

I was right ... this will be funny :smiley:

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk March 2nd, 2016 22:38

I agree with your concerns, but I'm still conviced the GA won't help on any IT topics for now.

Vincent

Vincent March 3rd, 2016 06:17

Let's just introduce the volunteers to all pirates, show the work done and ask for a 1 year mandate including the right to form a juridical personality for the hosting and domain names.

Valerie D.

Valerie D. March 5th, 2016 16:58

If you allow me:
- we know now by experience how bad votes can go on GAs.
- here, given the situation (there is a team that works) we don't need anything to be agreed upon by the GA, as such. IT team can organise itself the way it wants (check the statutes anyway if you mind the statutes).
- what we actually need : pirates need to be informed about the essential things happening. A GA is the best platform to say "hey pirates, now you all know about that, even those who are not on facebook or trello or telegram or whatever ç%ç% tool or small group of people".
- if you don't agree with how things are going, well, come join the team and help it along to improve if you are so smart (welcome to the real life). But no blocking allowed here - unless the whole room does, of course...

--> so in my point of view : no voting, consensus or whatever endorsement. Just (1) reporting on how IT is working (it's working!) and (2) what it plans to do next. And (3) open door to volunteers.

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk March 5th, 2016 17:24

I agree with Valérie.

For me a single presentation of what has been done and eventually what's next (if defined) will do the job.

HgO

HgO March 6th, 2016 14:32

You made me think twice about all this. I totally agree that voting is the worst solution on a GA, and electing an IT team might create more issues than it would solve.

So for this GA, as Valérie suggested, let's just make a presentation of what've been done, what's in progress, what are our objectives for the next GA (or the near future, as you want) and then make a call to volunteers.
Maybe we could make a short history of the team management, since it wasn't easy to coordinate and find proper communication channels at the beginning. I mean, not just presenting the good points, but also talking of what went wrong and what mistakes should be avoided if possible.

Now, the question being who would like to present this ?

Also, I keep my concerns, I'm just hoping this team will keep improving as it is the case since it's creation :)

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk March 6th, 2016 15:11

I have to make a review of the different tools we use, it will partially cover the IT topic(s).

For the "what's next" point : I'm wondering... what's next exactly ? :)

I mean : I don't think every IT people can answer that.
It may be a good reason to have an IT meeting before the GA (can be online), at least to be sure we are all on the same page

Valerie D.

Valerie D. March 6th, 2016 19:24

isn'it one of the next points that you are thinking to set an asbl for the IT?

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk March 6th, 2016 19:27

not sure to get your point (pretty sure I'm missing it)

Vincent

Vincent March 13th, 2016 10:59

The main concern is: who will manage the domain names?
Currently, the ex-coreteam members still own most of the access, and they can't transfer such an sensitive information to someone who has not been entrusted by all pirates.

All wee need is a name.

Pascal Dk

Pascal Dk March 13th, 2016 13:54

Straight proposal :

  • @vincent15
  • @fredericminne
  • @damiensrobert

Short term proposal : top priority after the GA

The GA will give us a better overview of what we have, wich means we'll be able to clarify the situation just after.
Also, there is already many people involved with IT, and many ideas, plans and projects on these people's mind.
Then, I think before re-distributing admin access and going further with IT, we should first being sure we all have the same and clear view of the situation.

ZeFredz

ZeFredz March 14th, 2016 10:42

Sorry, but this is a straight proposal for what exactly ? I'm not sure about what I'm wanted here.

Vincent

Vincent March 14th, 2016 10:46

A name. Just give me a name. He/she/they will receive all the credentials I own after being entrusted by the assembly.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse March 15th, 2016 06:32

Thierry Fenasse

HgO

HgO March 19th, 2016 19:03

What's the trap ? :)
I can propose myself, but not sure what would be the counter-part yet.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse November 26th, 2016 15:54

I'm tierce and I've made some contributions:

I have access to Infomaniak to handle the mailboxes and forwards.
I have access to the old server (live1) running the old drupal and the current wiki.
I have an automated backup of the current WordPress website and the Wiki.

I would like to have access to :

  • Networking4All to handle the DNS of «our domains» to continue and improve my contribution more easily.
  • Hetzner current hosting account to move the new website server to it or to handle the current dedicated server and hyervisor.

Discuss > Choose > Do ...

  • move the wiki to a new up to date host up and put some httpS on it and improve its functionalities.
  • setup a forum like Discourse, NodeBB, ...
  • maybe Mattermost and/or keep our current Slack,
  • maybe a Diaspora Pod hosted by us,
  • update or improve of piratepad.be currently handled by @koendv .
Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse November 26th, 2016 16:03

@vincent15 if you do have those missing access I'm looking for, can you provide them to me as we also discussed during the PirateLab of October 2016. Off course not on this public thread but we can meet or you can send the by mail (encrypted if possible, here is my public key).

Thanks!

Vincent

Vincent November 26th, 2016 23:38

Done. Check tes mails.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse November 27th, 2016 10:52

Super!
Merci :pray:

Pour ce qui est de Hetzner ... à part Askarel ou Tom Behet, tu vois d'autres personnes qui auraient cet accès?

Patrick Installé

Patrick Installé November 27th, 2016 17:47

En tant que trésorier adjoint, j'ai accès à Heztner. :-)

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse November 27th, 2016 19:25

Mais voilà une nouvelle qu'elle est bonne! :smiley:

Est-ce que c'est envisageable de me faire part de ces accès?

J'aimerais voir dans quelle mesure je peux déplacer le VPS (un CX20) actuellement utilisé pour le site web des pirates sur le compte Hetzner des pirates au lieu du mien.

En ayant accès, on pourra plus facilement administrer des petits VPS. Une fonction que j'apprècie sont les snapshots qui facilitent la notion de «backup» avant de faire une grosse mise à jour ou l'installation d'un truc «risqué».

Oui je sais ... on pourrais faire tout ça sur un serveur dédié ... mais c'est tellement plus facile par rapport à nos besoins actuels! :sweat_smile:

Si tu veux m'envoyer les codes avec, par exemple FramaBin ou si tu préfères que je fasse une proposition pour avoir quelques avis / votes. À vous les studios :monkey:

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse November 28th, 2016 10:24

J'ai bien reçu les accès à Hetzner merci! :champagne: :smiley:

Patrick Installé

Patrick Installé November 28th, 2016 10:28

Merci à toi pour tout ce que tu fais !

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse November 30th, 2016 10:15

The new web server (CX20) for pirateparty.be WordPress site have been moved to Hetzner.

The bill will increase for 8€ / month if I'm right ... until we delete the 60€ / month «old» server (EX4S).

First, I propose to set up another CX20 for the wiki, check if we can delete the old EX4S machine and spare 40€ at the end.

  • 2 x CX20 = 16€ / month instead of 1 x EX4S = 60€ / month once the work is done. It will leave us the possibility to set up some other CXxx for different purpose (forum? ...).

Any comment, advise, remark is welcome.

HgO

HgO November 30th, 2016 19:06

If we are not in a hurry, maybe we could discuss this in details during the Pirate Lab ? :) What you propose sounds good to me, tho ^
Just one question : What if we want to add a diaspora* pod ? Should we buy a third CX20 for this, or not ? I'm not sure to understand why we need two CX20 :sweat_smile:

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse November 30th, 2016 20:12

One VM, one ip, one «service», two snapshots for a CX20, ... easier to upgrade (software and «hardware»), manage, handle, transform ... and yes in that way ... one other VM for a pod.

For 8€ the VM (CX20) we can have 7 CX20 for 56€. It's 60€ for the EX4S.

And I personally do not care about the «challenge» to build an unmaintainable bidule on top of one host. :dromedary_camel:

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse November 30th, 2016 23:53

Wiki Migration

As for the new website, I've prepared a VM accessible behind w.pirateparty.be (it's a temporary FQDN and it will become wiki.pirateparty.be as soon as we have finished the upgrades).

It is mediawiki 1.28 with all extensions disabled (so it's actually ugly) but the database is from yesterday. So your credentials should work for those who want to test and work on the upgrade / migration.

You can find the extensions currently activated on our wiki here. I do not know if they all are compatible with mediawiki 1.28. That will be some team work we can plan this Saturday.

Need an ssh access?

@hgo I'll sent it to you on Telegram.
For those who want to work on it, ask and you will have it.

I've made a snapshot just now, so do not hesitate!

HgO

HgO November 30th, 2016 23:59

Oy ! I'm going to sleep, but thank you already for this !! :D
Please, send my credentials by mail using my public key (0x26687C5A, or somewhere on the wiki) ;) Good night ! :night_with_stars:

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 2nd, 2016 22:04

Wiki Migration News

Almost done : w.pirateparty.be ... and as I said it will be renamed to wiki.pirateparty.be once everything seens ok for those who feels concerned about it.

@hgo : the {{ask ...}} stuff does not work (see WikiAskFunctionDoesNotWork.png) and I do not find which required extension is necessary. So because you use it, can you guide me?

@koendv : you will have to set up some httpS on piratepad.be (LetsEncrypt? because the new wiki will use httpS (at last!) and it looks unsecure for the visitors. (see WikiPadHttpUnsecure.png and WikiPadEnabledRedHttps.png). This would be nice and spare «us» the deployment or the use of another Etherpad server.

Thanks ladz! And see you maybe tomorrow at the lab.
:heart:

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 2nd, 2016 22:05

Oops ... forgot the attachments :sweat_smile:

HgO

HgO December 2nd, 2016 22:15

It's Semantic Mediawiki and Semantic Forms :) But maybe this doesn't work just because it's in the Sidebar. In that case, don't worry I'll try to fix it myself ;)
Also, if you can install the Visual Editor, that would be awesome :D

I think we will have to use our own Etherpad server in the end, right ? :)

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 3rd, 2016 08:34

Wiki Migration New News :trumpet:

The new wiki (w.pirateparty.be) is ready to be validated. As soon as we agree it will become wiki.pirateparty.be.

@koendv Regarding the httpS for the pads, we still need you, so ... as Obi-Wan Kenobi ... you are our only hope.

May the farce be with you

Vincent

Vincent December 3rd, 2016 23:51

Make us proud.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 3rd, 2016 23:54

:fireworks: Wiki Migration Done :fireworks:

As promised ... https://wiki.pirateparty.be is up, running and updated!

And as I said already, if you need more ... you are at the right place to ask! :smiley:

HgO

HgO December 4th, 2016 08:57

Awesome ! Thank you Thierry !! :D
About the pad issue, could someone contact Koen urgently, because I think this will become very annoying otherwise... :/

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 7th, 2016 06:29

:dollar: Added expenses on our wiki page

HgO

HgO December 10th, 2016 11:28

So, we forgot to talk about the servers during last lab. Could you tell me what services are still on the old server (EX4S) ? Regarding your proposition to have one server by service, I'm not sure whether this is a good idea or not, because I don't have much experience in this domain (I'm not admin sys). @zefredz what are your thoughts on this ? :)

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 10th, 2016 11:58

On the Hetzner machine (EX4S) : https://144.76.64.237/
With a public IP : 144.76.64.251

There stills:

live1 (old wiki, old drupal, old parley.be mailer)
* wiki is now on another vm and up to date.
* drupal is replaced by a wordpress website.
* parley.be MX is probably unused anymore.

I kept different backups of the Drupal I whished someone could update ... but no one did (see LAB2 on http://piratepad.be/p/piratelab.be). I tried with drush on a clone without success.

opinion.pirateparty.be
http://opinio.pirateparty.be

:question: does someone have access to the files and databses of it?

  • quite few activities according to the site it self
  • last update of the tool 2 years ago according to GitHub

finance.pirateparty.be
http://finance.pirateparty.be

:question: does someone have access to the files and databses of it?

  • dispalying a table with 2014 data

probably other things like

  • a pfsense or something else?
  • anything else I do not see?

3 (or more?) services (mostly unused or unmaintained, see atached stats) that costs 61€ every month (ok is not really expensive, but we are not Cresus).

We should have to remove them, maybe archive them somewhere else?

I do not have the credetials to handle the VMware.

HgO

HgO December 10th, 2016 12:28

Thanks ! :D

About GetOp, this would be nice to have a back up of the database, but otherwise I don't want to spend 61€/month for this '

About Finance, there is this more up-to-date website : https://finance.partipirate.be/doku.php
However, since @patrickinstalle has left us, I don't know whether it will be maintained...

About Parley, there is a need to have a mailing list server, at least for Crew BW. So I think we should find a way to replace this service...

What do you mean by "I do not have the credentials to handle the VMware." ?

For me, it's ok to shut down this server :) I'm opening a proposition to vote, I'd like to have a decision before the end of this month to avoid another expense.

HgO

HgO started a proposal December 10th, 2016 12:35

Get rid of the old server (EX4S) Closed 7:02pm - Friday 23 Dec 2016

Outcome
by HgO April 25th, 2017 05:43

Farewell EX4S ^

Now that we have a brand new IT infrastructure, can we shut down the old server ?

What's still in there ?
* GetOp --> unmaintained and probably unused
* Parley --> need for a mailing list tool
* Drupal website --> we did back up + we have a wordpress site
* Finance (2014) --> outdated, replaced by https://finance.partipirate.be/doku.php
* ?

Results
Agree - 5
Abstain - 5
Disagree - 5
Block - 5
5 people have voted (10%)
HgO

HgO
Agree
December 10th, 2016 12:37

Vincent

Vincent December 10th, 2016 12:57

@jonasdg , your input would be appreciated.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 10th, 2016 18:09

The VMWare host is probably handling different VMS but I can not be sure because I cannot connect to its admin tools.

(and i do not talk about the fact that I have to create an account @ vmware to be able to download the vshpere command line interface client for GNU/Linux. Yes. Only Windows users can have a GUI :zipper_mouth: ).

And whatever the admin tool, without the credentials, its useless.

Jan Van Opstal

Jan Van Opstal
Agree
December 11th, 2016 22:06

please try to backup as maw as possible ... now we have a new working tool lets concentrate on it to make it great.

Jan Van Opstal

Jan Van Opstal
Agree
December 11th, 2016 22:40

please try to backup as many as possible ... now we have a new working tool lets concentrate on it to make it great.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 13th, 2016 08:24

I sent an email to itworkgroup@ few days ago...

Jonas Degrave

Jonas Degrave December 13th, 2016 13:01

Yes, you could access it with vshpere, I should still have the credentials lying somewhere, I think.
Let me know who to mail them to.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 13th, 2016 13:36

What a good news! :champagne:

You can use https://framabin.org/ :thumbsup:

Many thanks!

HgO

HgO December 13th, 2016 20:05

Why don't we have more reactions ? Come on guys, we are talking about sparing 732€ yearly ! :moneybag:

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 15th, 2016 14:31

Thanks for the mail you sent today with the accesses to some stuff we where missing. I'll have a look in the next days to check what I can do with it. :nerd:

Message bien reçu! :mailbox_with_mail:
:pray:

Vincent

Vincent
Agree
December 16th, 2016 10:58

Assuming we don't destroy any information, I agree.

We should consider allocating some of the spared money to make a donation to Loomio and Framasoft btw.

PS

Pat Seynaeve
Agree
December 18th, 2016 01:08

I know nothing about servers and network and all that nerdy knowledge, but is seems you're doing good work, so I give you my trust. I'm good in graphics, sound and video and some other things but making time is another challenge.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 18th, 2016 13:00

I've restored an old XP VboxImage and installed VSphere (the required software to manage the server's virtual machines).

As you can see ... there are some different stuff on that server and I know what I'll do during he next weeks at home or on piratelabs :smiley:

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse
Agree
December 22nd, 2016 21:04

HgO

HgO December 26th, 2016 15:58

@tierce Tu t'occupes de tout ? :)

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse December 27th, 2016 09:42

Ben oui évidemment :tongue: ...
Comme dit dans mon précédent commentaire, je ferai ça à mon aise chez moi ou lors de prochains piratelabs.

HgO

HgO January 10th, 2017 14:07

En fait, je pensais qu'on s'en occuperait le plus vite possible pour éviter de payer des factures inutiles. Mais comme c'est toi qui t'en occupes, je ne vais pas te demander de te dépêcher en plus :p Donc fais ça à ton aise, et merci ! :pray:

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse March 22nd, 2017 22:31

Updated our it-squad expenses (from 1129,17€ to 497,25€) by removing to old VmWare Hypervizor.

All virtual machines where downloaded and converted to a [VirtualBox] compatible format (see attached screen capture).

If you need to have access to some «old stuffs running on those vms» please ask here or send a mail to our it-squad.

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse started a proposal March 22nd, 2017 22:52

Release IPs and Destroy disks content. Closed 11:01pm - Saturday 15 Apr 2017

IP Adresses :bomb:

144.76.64.237 (vmware Hypervizor)
144.76.64.251 (former main ip address of drupal, opinion, parley, ...)

Hard disk content :bomb:

Erase the disk containing he VmWare datastore1 (cf. attached capture) before returning the server to Hetzner.
The datastore2 is empty.

Can I proceed?

Knowing that, as explain in this comment, the content of the old server's Virtual Machines is available on request.

Results
Agree - 5
Abstain - 5
Disagree - 5
Block - 5
5 people have voted (10%)
Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse
Agree
March 22nd, 2017 22:52

I agree to my proposal :frog:

HgO

HgO March 23rd, 2017 09:30

Je ne comprends pas trop ce que tu demandes en fait ? Quels disques ? Tu as clôturé le serveur EX4S, non ? Donc pourquoi faut-il détruire des disques en plus ??
Pour les adresses IPs, ben si elles pointent vers rien, autant les libérer en effet ^

Et en fait, je vois pas trop pourquoi tu demandes notre avis ? Y a-t-il des conséquences pour le reste du monde ?

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse March 23rd, 2017 09:53

Par mesure de précaution et pour tenir au courant de l'évolution des choses.

Le serveur est actuellement transféré sur mon compte Hetzner comme ça il n'est plus chez les pirates et si quelqu'un se plaint dans quelques jours, il est encore aisé de le remettre en route.

Un peu comme une «suppression en deux étapes».

Avant de rendre le serveur à Hetzner, j'ai l'intention de blanchir les disques parce que c'est d'habitude ce que je fais avec des serveur «physiques» avant de les jeter ou les recycler.

Ici, puisqu'il sagit d'un serveur dédié (et donc une machine physique complète avec 2 disques de 3TB), et que je ne sais pas ce que Hetzner fait avec le serveurs qui sont «libérés», je préfère blanchir les disques avant de les rendre.

Vincent

Vincent
Agree
March 23rd, 2017 21:32

You're the one in charge.

HgO

HgO
Agree
March 23rd, 2017 21:40

Exterminate!!! :robot:

J

Josse March 24th, 2017 20:32

Nice work!

PS

Pat Seynaeve
Agree
March 25th, 2017 07:59

Thierry Fenasse

Thierry Fenasse April 11th, 2017 08:37

Updated our it-squad expenses (from 497,25€ to 670,05€) by adding our Mastodon instance.

J

Josse
Agree
April 15th, 2017 14:14

Make sure you have got backups

ZeFredz

ZeFredz April 29th, 2017 16:11

What do we do about this old IT Squad page on G+ https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/101249098402457721844/101249098402457721844 ? Do we have the access to it ?