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[post - published Dutch] Explanation about participating in the elections

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As discussed in the Piratelab of November, we want an article to explain what is necessary for participation in the elections: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Elections_2019 (see below) and
https://www.loomio.org/d/GT2Ii3oW/-newsletter-make-your-own-election-list

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Josse Sat 24 Nov 2018

I created a first draft underneath the facts of the pad https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Elections_2019

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Ilja Baert Sun 25 Nov 2018

I just added a bunch https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Elections_2019
I also think things are a bit different for the German part, so we should check that out a bit more as well.
And ofc the practical things I don't know like do you need permits to collect signatures in public space? How about flyering, hanging election-posters... What are the rules on expenses, income and donations, how to declare expenses, income and donations...

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Josse Sat 1 Dec 2018

It is already quite complete. I should check tomorrow or the day after how it would look as an article.

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Ilja Baert Sat 1 Dec 2018

There are still some open questions:
1. Can someone sign for multiple list in one election*?
2. Can people of parlament sign for multiple list in one election?
3. How about the whole German speaking part of Belgium? I have the impression that things there are quite different. Even if we don't dig through it, we should at least mention it and link to the relevant documents.

The part Kandidaatstelling also needs a bit more info (basically just the dates and places)

And then there's the Praktisch section. I've got some feedback from the person that did the West-Flanders election last time, but it needs a good write up + needs to be checked by others who have those experiences IMO

* Don't confuse election (regional, European...) with election day. There are multiple lists in one election, and there are multiple elections on the election day.

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Josse Sun 2 Dec 2018

I don't see the requirement anywhere that you can not participate in different elections on the same day...

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Ilja Baert Mon 3 Dec 2018

In https://verkiezingen.fgov.be/node/48485
Point 1. Verkiesbaarheid

Niemand mag zich kandidaat stellen voor verschillende verkiezingen die op dezelfde dag plaatsvinden.

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Josse Mon 3 Dec 2018

Hm, indeed.

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Ilja Baert Mon 3 Dec 2018

Hmmm, something else I'm wondering. What if you have X candidates for election A in district Z. Can you file the same list of people for the same elections for district Y?
The only thing I find is for EU elections: not in a different country.
They don't speak about this in the federal and Flemisch documents.

That means that we just need to find candidates for one list and we can use that list in all districts!

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Valerie D. Sat 8 Dec 2018

Nope. Because you can only be candidate in your own district (where your official address is).

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Ilja Baert Sat 8 Dec 2018

Some people seem to think that, but that's not true;
Flanders: https://verkiezingen.fgov.be/kandidaten-hoe-zich-kandidaat-stellen/vlaams-parlement (point 1. 5.) "uw woonplaats hebben in een gemeente binnen het Vlaamse Gewest. Het bewijs van uw woonplaats is uw inschrijving in het bevolkingsregister van uw gemeente.
Een inwoner van Leuven mag zich voor de verkiezing van het Vlaams Parlement bijvoorbeeld kandidaat stellen in Kieskring West-Vlaanderen"

Federal(Dutch): https://verkiezingen.fgov.be/kandidaten-hoe-zich-kandidaat-stellen/kamer-van-volksvertegenwoordigers (point 1. 4.) "

Uw woonplaats hebben in België.

Een inwoner van Oostende mag zich voor de verkiezing van de Kamer bijvoorbeeld kandidaat stellen in Kieskring Luxemburg.

Het bewijs van uw woonplaats is uw inschrijving in het bevolkingsregister van een Belgische gemeente."

EU(Dutch): https://verkiezingen.fgov.be/kandidaten-hoe-zich-kandidaat-stellen/europees-parlement (point 1.1.) "Uw woonplaats hebben in één van de lidstaten van de Europese Unie en Belg zijn of onderdaan van een andere lidstaat van de Europese Unie.
Een Griek die in Estland verblijft, mag zich dus bijvoorbeeld in België kandidaat stellen voor de verkiezing van het Europees Parlement. Een Belg die in Italië verblijft, mag zich ook kandidaat stellen in België voor deze verkiezing."

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Ilja Baert Sat 8 Dec 2018

We really just need one list and we can just reuse that. I think we should really think about that, because I'm not sure if W-VL will be able to have a list. Guys enough, but PP apparently isn't very attractive to girls :slight_frown: I think Liège has the same problem.

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Valerie D. Sat 8 Dec 2018

waow, indeed, my bad (same for the Parlement Wallon) : Un habitant de Tournai peut par exemple se porter candidat dans la circonscription de Liège pour l'élection du Parlement wallon.
(but he-she needs to live in Wallonia for that election of course).

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Ilja Baert Sat 8 Dec 2018

mm shit, I just see on https://verkiezingen.fgov.be/node/48485 "Niemand mag kandidaat zijn op verschillende lijsten voor eenzelfde verkiezing. Uw naam mag dus niet op meerdere kandidatenlijsten voorkomen."
I assumed this meant you can't be on the list of, say ppbe and also on some local list for example. But this also implies that if you're already on the W-VL list, you can't be on the Liège list for example :(

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Pat Seynaeve Sat 8 Dec 2018

My opinion is that it is better to collectively join DIEM25. It is a well organised platform where the pirates could fully join with, together with other small groups, as an alternative against an emerging nationalistic alt-right front. Forget about party-bound self-interest and invest in a common alternative that invites other progressives to counterbalance the short-sighted self-interest sponsored by Steve Bannon.

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Ilja Baert Sun 9 Dec 2018

This is a whole other discussion altogether that needs it's own board. Please feel free to create one. As for the article, even if we do join, we still need to know how to participate in elections. It would've been better to ask around if others already made an article like this, so we could've used that. We did not do this now, it is something we should keep in mind for a next time. You are correct in that we aren't the only ones any more who feel the need to politically organise in order to bring more democracy.

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Ilja Baert Sun 9 Dec 2018

I dragged the whole thing as it is now through DeepL.
There are still some open questions, I added them in square brackets. The answers can be found in the documents, but I just have to add it. Someone will also need to check the sources in the francophonian section.

There is also a part Practical about how you go about collecting signatures. I haven't done that yet myself, but there are some points I got as feedback from someone who has. It still needs to be put in a text.

Feel free to expand or otherwise improve where you feel is needed. I think it's quite complete for the most part ATM. Would be nice to be able to send this for the holidays :slight_smile:

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Ilja Baert Sun 9 Dec 2018

Oh and please review the whole thing on both style and most importantly on facts! This is something we can't get wrong if you ask me '

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Ilja Baert Sat 15 Dec 2018

Alriiight! Article is ready!
@koenvdp I saw you made changes, thx for that! I've added the last things I felt were needed, so feel free to check those as well. The color I used for those is pink.
@josse Feel free to put it in an article ^

For the districts and addresses I put it in a list, but that's quite long. If you think another format is better (e.g. a table, ...), feel free to do so.

I dragged the last changes I made through DeepL as well, so if someone wants to check the Francophone version, that would be great.

I also set a placeholder for a form were people can put themself up as candidate. Maybe this can help us put together lists. We'll need autographs as well then, but we'll see how that goes.

https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Elections_2019

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koen_v Sun 16 Dec 2018

Many thanks to you @iljabaert , & to @josse, for (amongst others) the very good ideas & content. We shouldn’t underestimate it,

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Josse Sat 29 Dec 2018

@iljabaert I can not find anyone to check the forms on wordpress. I did not manage to do it. If you have an alternative to make forms, I can refer to that, but for now I will tell them to send a simple mail to contact@pirateparty.be I would publish it that way now and change it later. Could use some good pictures though...

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Ilja Baert Sat 29 Dec 2018

Ah, yeah mail is more than fine then. I don't have pictures :D Maybe one of the old election-posters? idk :/ Graphical things aren't my strong suite, so I'm not even sure what would 'fit' for this article

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Josse Sat 29 Dec 2018

@iljabaert I adapted the French text a bit in the pad, but better to let someone native recheck.

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Michel Braibant Sun 30 Dec 2018

I made some corrections but I would like a double check of my corrections. Anyway, nice job mates! (FYI, I did the links too)

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Renaud Van Eeckhout Sun 30 Dec 2018

Some corrections that I made in the French version, maybe they should be included in the dutch one too :

  • Duitstalige regio => Duitstalige Gemeenschap
  • the posters need not necessarily be posted on the panels by ourselves, but in some cases this work is done by the local administration (it's the case in Liège)

I added in the French version a line to remind that everyone is welcome, not just to sign or collect signatures but also to contribute to our political project.

And I checked the rest of the french translation. Thanks to the contributors of this article!

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Josse Sat 12 Jan 2019

@vanecx I added the article in French on the Wordpress, so you can just have a look at it and publish it. @iljabaert There is one thing that I am not to sure about. In the Antwerp drink, they said members of the parliament can put as many signatures as they want, but that is not what in the article. Can we recheck?

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Ilja Baert Sat 12 Jan 2019

Europees: Wij verklaren op eer noch in dit kiescollege, noch in een ander kiescollege, een voordrachtsakte voor een andere
politieke formatie ondertekend te hebben
[1]

Vlaams: _Wij verklaren op eer in deze kieskring nog geen voor
drachtsakte voor een andere formatie ondertekend te
hebben. _[2]

Federaal: _Wij verklaren op eer in deze kieskring geen voordr
achtsakte voor een andere politieke formatie te
hebben ondertekend. _[3]

Voor EU is het dus zoals het artiekel zegt. Ik merk wel dat voor Vlaams en Federaal parlementsleden kunnen tekenen voor een andere kieskring ook... De vraag is dan of ze meerdere handtekeningen kunnen zeten.

[1] https://verkiezingen.fgov.be/sites/default/files/documents/C9_N_ok.pdf
[2] https://verkiezingen.fgov.be/sites/default/files/documents/D4_N_ok.pdf
[3] https://verkiezingen.fgov.be/sites/default/files/documents/A4_N_ok.pdf

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Ilja Baert Sat 12 Jan 2019

@josse Ok, idd. So one autograph per district as I see it for regional and federal. Only one for European. Could you make the changes? And maye also the changes vanecx proposed?

EDIT One per district, this is also not 'as many as they want', but more then just one (which I assume the article said?)

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Ilja Baert Sat 16 Feb 2019

Yeej, another thing to add/change;

There's this part that says "Andere goede locaties zijn winkels. Uiteraard mag je niet zomaar een winkel binnen stappen en klanten lastig vallen. Niets verbiedt je evenwel om bijvoorbeeld op een openbaar plein vóór die winkel te gaan staan."

This was a tip I got from someone who did the previous elections. But I've asked around and much better is:

"Uiteraard mag je niet zomaar een winkel binnen stappen en klanten lastig vallen. Wat je best doet is voordien even naar binnen gaan en vragen of je een verantwoordelijke kan spreken. Je kan dan vragen of je aan de ingang mag staan om handtekeningen te verzamelen. Deze kan dan al dan niet goedkeuring geven."

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Josse Sun 17 Feb 2019

I changed the Dutch article with the comments of Ilja and the fact that the tool Martine was published now.