France wants to ban petrol and diesel. Should New Zealand?
Suzie Dawson
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Ref: https://twitter.com/gauloir/status/883342086551986176
Add your own research links and thoughts below. Once there has been enough spirited discussion, we will table a proposal and everyone can vote on it.
Jo Booth
Tue 11 Jul 2017 8:23PM
I'd love to see this happen, but can't see how it could work for me personally in the next 6 months.
Tane Harre
Wed 12 Jul 2017 1:04AM
If France can do it so can we. Especially by 2045.
Suzie Dawson
Wed 12 Jul 2017 8:50AM
I wouldn't tie this to climate change or any specific emissions reductions schemes/agreements but just to the basic fact that fossil fuels poison the planet and clean energy should be subsidised, readily available, and as heavily utilised as possible
Jo Booth
Thu 13 Jul 2017 5:42AM
I'd love to see this happen, but can't see how it could work for me personally in the next 6 months. A longer term aim - to give time to develop renewable infrastructure sounds fine
Tane Harre Thu 13 Jul 2017 8:04AM
@dennisdorney At last, someone disagreed :) Why though? It seems like a good idea to me.
Dennis Dorney Fri 14 Jul 2017 5:12AM
My reasons are that it would be impossible to implement in a short time frame and could therefore lead to chaos. And in the longer term electric self drive cars will come in much faster that predicted (petrol driven cars will be unsaleable by 2030 IMO), so its a risky venture with no great benefit.
Miriam Mallinder Fri 14 Jul 2017 9:34AM
I don't think we need to ban petrol and diesel, they are already starting to become obsolete ... good job too!
Mad Kiwi Fri 14 Jul 2017 12:00PM
These Electric Vehicles need a lot of Precious Metals such as Platinum which will lead to more exploitation, which involves things like Child Labour & destruction of the environment,
We should look at how we can recycle our E waste as well as encouraging ethical alternatives such as Bio fuel technologies. I don't think (outright banning) it is responsible or realistic in the short term.
https://www.platts.com/latest-news/metals/orlando-florida/electric-vehicles-will-change-demand-for-precious-21011964
Colin England Fri 14 Jul 2017 11:43PM
Honda develops hybrid motor without key rare-earth metals
TOKYO -- Honda Motor Co. has developed a new electric motor for hybrid vehicles that tackles two top challenges in manufacturing the crucial drivetrain component: The high cost and uncertain supply of the rare-earth metals used in their powerful magnets.
The key is a new motor not using any heavy rare-earth metals, such as dysprosium or terbium. The breakthrough frees Honda from being at the mercy of supply bottlenecks of the sparsely distributed metals and increasing prices as demand for them soars.
Not that I think personal electric vehicles are a good idea as a starting point. Do the public transport first then we can wean people off of the highly inefficient personal vehicles.
Suzie Dawson · Wed 12 Jul 2017 8:49AM
Re Tane's comment on 2045... if we still have a functioning ecosystem to protect by 2045 it will be nothing short of a miracle! Whole towns in China and parts of the Gulf of Mexico are already biological dead zones, the Great Barrier Reef is next...
I think we need to do a lot more than we are (general statement - applies to all humankind) and a lot faster!