Use of the term "hacker"

Given there is a general move to making this term less derogatory given initiatives like GovHack and other such Hack-a-thon type events in govt, I move that the language here be changed. Either making it clear we are talking about "black hat" or using something along the lines of "malicious person".

Cam Findlay Wed 30 Mar 2016
For reference this is in para. 28 page 10.

Open Data NZ Wed 30 Mar 2016
Agreed and noted, thanks :)

simon davis Thu 31 Mar 2016
See also
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1983 Internet Users' Glossary
and
http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
and
https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html

Tom Clark Thu 31 Mar 2016
In a formal document like this, use of a slang term like "hacker" is out of place regardless of the intended meaning. In this case something like "malicious attacker" would be better.

Cam Findlay Thu 31 Mar 2016
:thumbsup:

Cam Findlay started a proposal Thu 31 Mar 2016
Replace the term hacker with "malicious attacker" in para. 28 Closed Fri 8 Apr 2016
Looks like solid agreement here. Which raises another point... we had 62% of contributors vote... does this indicate enough consensus to action this change in policy wording? I can imagine we might use this process for upcoming motions so would be good to discuss what would be considered "agreed" :nz:
The term is too casual and the meaning of the term hacker culturally has changed.
Agree - 13 |
Abstain - 13 |
Disagree - 13 |
Block - 13 |

Cam Findlay
Thu 31 Mar 2016
Dave Lane
Thu 31 Mar 2016

Tom Clark
Thu 31 Mar 2016
Igor Nadj
Fri 1 Apr 2016
Rob Elshire
Fri 1 Apr 2016

simon davis
Sun 3 Apr 2016
The term hacker is incorrectly used.
The correct term is cracker or adversary.
See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4949

Roy Storey
Mon 4 Apr 2016
reduces ambiguity
Sam Bonner
Tue 5 Apr 2016
Jason Ryan
Tue 5 Apr 2016

Byron Cochrane
Wed 6 Apr 2016

Brent Wood
Wed 6 Apr 2016
No brainer - with govhack such a positive event
Adam Jarvis
Wed 6 Apr 2016

Gold
Thu 7 Apr 2016

Cam Findlay Sun 3 Apr 2016
@simondavis I was thinking that naming too originally. I've gone on to propose wording here that is focused on the behaviour of the person rather than a particular cultural referenced name for that group of people.
Are you comfortable with the term proposed in the motion here as "Malicious attacker" (it's what your "agreed" position indicates)? I think is gets across the intention without needing the context of the cultural reference to crackers and hackers.

Cam Findlay Mon 2 May 2016
I've raised a revision over at https://github.com/opendatanz/nzgoal-se/pull/2

Kay Mon 2 May 2016
agree with wordage around hacker v malicious attacker. Minor point, it's usually hackathon not hack-a-thon :-)
Dave Lane · Wed 30 Mar 2016
Totally agree, let us reclaim the language that was corrupted by those who don't understand it... One requirement for any movement (and this is one) is to take ownership of, and be deliberate about our use of, language.