Loomio
Wed 30 Mar 2016

Use of the term "hacker"

CF
Cam Findlay Public Seen by 311

Given there is a general move to making this term less derogatory given initiatives like GovHack and other such Hack-a-thon type events in govt, I move that the language here be changed. Either making it clear we are talking about "black hat" or using something along the lines of "malicious person".

DL

Dave Lane Wed 30 Mar 2016

Totally agree, let us reclaim the language that was corrupted by those who don't understand it... One requirement for any movement (and this is one) is to take ownership of, and be deliberate about our use of, language.

CF

Cam Findlay Wed 30 Mar 2016

For reference this is in para. 28 page 10.

ODN

Open Data NZ Wed 30 Mar 2016

Agreed and noted, thanks :)

TC

Tom Clark Thu 31 Mar 2016

In a formal document like this, use of a slang term like "hacker" is out of place regardless of the intended meaning. In this case something like "malicious attacker" would be better.

CF

Cam Findlay Thu 31 Mar 2016

:thumbsup:

CF

Cam Findlay started a proposal Thu 31 Mar 2016

Replace the term hacker with "malicious attacker" in para. 28 Closed Fri 8 Apr 2016

Outcome
by Cam Findlay Wed 26 Apr 2017

Looks like solid agreement here. Which raises another point... we had 62% of contributors vote... does this indicate enough consensus to action this change in policy wording? I can imagine we might use this process for upcoming motions so would be good to discuss what would be considered "agreed" :nz:

The term is too casual and the meaning of the term hacker culturally has changed.

Agree - 13
Abstain - 13
Disagree - 13
Block - 13
13 people have voted (32%)
CF

Cam Findlay
Agree
Thu 31 Mar 2016

DL

Dave Lane
Agree
Thu 31 Mar 2016

TC

Tom Clark
Agree
Thu 31 Mar 2016

IN

Igor Nadj
Agree
Fri 1 Apr 2016

RE

Rob Elshire
Agree
Fri 1 Apr 2016

SD

simon davis
Agree
Sun 3 Apr 2016

The term hacker is incorrectly used.
The correct term is cracker or adversary.
See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4949

RS

Roy Storey
Agree
Mon 4 Apr 2016

reduces ambiguity

SB

Sam Bonner
Agree
Tue 5 Apr 2016

JR

Jason Ryan
Agree
Tue 5 Apr 2016

BC

Byron Cochrane
Agree
Wed 6 Apr 2016

BW

Brent Wood
Agree
Wed 6 Apr 2016

No brainer - with govhack such a positive event

AJ

Adam Jarvis
Agree
Wed 6 Apr 2016

G

Gold
Agree
Thu 7 Apr 2016

CF

Cam Findlay Sun 3 Apr 2016

@simondavis I was thinking that naming too originally. I've gone on to propose wording here that is focused on the behaviour of the person rather than a particular cultural referenced name for that group of people.

Are you comfortable with the term proposed in the motion here as "Malicious attacker" (it's what your "agreed" position indicates)? I think is gets across the intention without needing the context of the cultural reference to crackers and hackers.

CF

Cam Findlay Mon 2 May 2016

I've raised a revision over at https://github.com/opendatanz/nzgoal-se/pull/2

K

Kay Mon 2 May 2016

agree with wordage around hacker v malicious attacker. Minor point, it's usually hackathon not hack-a-thon :-)