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Tue 10 Jan 2017 12:19PM

Current status of the crews

RVE Renaud Van Eeckhout Public Seen by 41

EN :
When newcomers join our crews, they often ask about other crews. Which ones are active? What do they do? Do they have many members?

These questions are difficult to answer, because information lacks. It's not a communication issue, it's about making information public, available. In one word : transparency. One of our core values since... always.

Therefore I wanted to know about the crews. Which ones are active, have meetings, where are the meeting reports to be found, etc.

FR :
Quand des nouveaux/elles pirates nous rejoignent, nous avons souvent des questions à propos des autres crews. Lesquelles sont actives ? Que font-elles ? Ont-elles beaucoup de membres ?

Il est compliqué de répondre à ces questions, à cause du manque d'information. Il ne s'agit pas - j'anticipe - d'un problème de communication, mais de rendre l'information publique, accessible, en un mot : la transparence. Une de nos valeurs fondamentales depuis... toujours.

Je souhaitais donc que nous partagions ces informations ici. Lesquelles sont actives, organisent des réunions, où peut-on trouver les rapports de réunions, etc.


Crews alive:
* Pirates de Liège (5-10)
* Crew BW (about 10)
* Crew Waremme (3)
* Crew La Louvière (?)
* Crew Antwerpen (5-10)
* Crew Gent (7-10)
* Crew Mechelen (6)

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 10 Jan 2017 12:22PM

EN :
Crew Liège (named : Pirates de Liège)
Members : around 5 people at each meeting, but we have gained members recently, so we should be around 10.
Our meeting reports are here : on the wiki

FR :
Crew Liège (nom : Pirates de Liège)
Membres : environ 5 personnes présentes à chaque réunion, mais comme nous avons des nouveaux membres récemment, nous tournons plutôt autour d'une dizaine de membres désormais
Nos rapports de réunions sont sur le wiki

H

HgO Tue 10 Jan 2017 2:02PM

I think that the information you are looking for is already on the website, no? Morever, that would be faster if we could list crews that we know (e.g. Waremme) although we might not get as much information (number of pirates inside the crew, and so on).

Je crois que cette information se trouve déjà sur le site web, non ? Ceci dit, ce serait plus rapide si on pouvait lister les équipages que l'on connaît (ex: Waremme), même si nous n'aurions pas autant d'information (nombre de gens dans l'équipage, etc.)


EN:
Crew BW
Members : about 9 people (see our non-exhaustive member list), and about 5 at each meeting
Our meeting reports are on the wiki

FR :
Crew BW
Membres : environ 9 (cf. notre liste des membres non-exhaustive), et environ 5 à chaque réunion.
Nos rapports de réunions sont sur le wiki

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 10 Jan 2017 2:12PM

Well, if you can tell me where I can find meeting reports for Ghent, Antwerp, Mechelen... I'd be glad to know :D

H

HgO Tue 10 Jan 2017 2:38PM

Antwerp has updated its wiki page recently.
Mechelen seems to keep its wiki page up-to-date : https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Crew_Mechelen

However, I can't find their meeting reports for both of them. At least, we have names to whom we can ask such information :D

I have no information about Ghent, that's a mystery whether they are alive or not :no_mouth: (Shrödinger's Ghent?)


Now, I know for sure that Crew Waremme is alive and publish their meeting reports on their loomio group. I know that Crew West-Vlaanderen is alive as well and keeps its wiki page up-to-date : https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Crew_West-Vlaanderen Finally, I had news about Crew La Louvière : they are well alive :) , but don't update their wiki page at the moment.

Crew Brussels is almost dead, but Pascal is hoping to resurrect them (they should call themselves Crew Zombrussels, I guess (sorry)).

That's all I know about crews...

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 10 Jan 2017 2:58PM

For Antwerp, their member Jan said on Facebook they would put the meeting reports on the wiki, "if all agreed upon".

Yes some crews update their wikis, but no meeting reports except : Liège, Waremme, BW

(notice the contradiction when you said the information is on the website (I read : "Gent : 70 members") and what you comment here based on the wiki, which is you don't know if they're alive or not)

It's sad to have to beg for something that should be automatic and obvious. It makes us look like we're a group of liars, and unless the remaining crews have excellent reasons to do so, we can't deny this accusation.

H

HgO Tue 10 Jan 2017 3:13PM

Ah nice :)

I agree that I am in contradiction with myself :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: The fact is that only trust wiki :D But all the information isn't there, sadly :( The website gives you information about number of members for each crews, and maybe useful links. Regarding Ghent, since I don't live there, I can't tell you for sure that they are alive, although I suspect them to be.

That's a real problem, indeed. That's why I added a list of members on the Crew sidebar (wiki), because I think it's important to be able to contact individuals from a crew. That can just be a nickname, I don't really care.

But what should we do ? We can't force them... It's a in the statutes that every crews must publish its report meeting on the wiki, so...


Ah cool :)

C'est vrai, je suis en contradiction avec moi-même :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Le fait est que je ne fais confiance qu'au wiki :D Mais toute l'information ne s'y trouve pas, malheureusement :( Le site te donne des informations sur le nombre de membres, et aussi sur des liens utiles (page facebook, etc.). Concernant Gand, comme je ne vis pas là -bas, je ne peux pas être certain qu'ils sont encore vivant, même si je les soupçonne de l'être.

C'est un vrai problème, en effet. C'est d'ailleurs pour cette raison que j'avais ajouté une liste des membres pour l'infobox des crews (wiki), parce que je pense que c'est important de pouvoir contacter les personnes au sein de l'équipage. Cela peut être juste un pseudo, ce n'est pas très important.

Que peut-on faire ? On ne peut pas les forcer... C'est déjà écrit dans les statuts que chaque équipage doit publier ses compte-rendus de réunion sur le wiki, alors...

SD

Sandrine Debatty Wed 11 Jan 2017 8:54AM

A Waremme, nous avons deux membres effectifs et un sympathisant. Nous sommes tous les 3 présents à chaque réunion. Les comptes-rendus se trouvent sur le wiki: https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Crew_Waremme/R%C3%A9unions

CC

Christophe Cop Thu 16 Feb 2017 3:33PM

Crew Antwerp re-activated Januari 2016, and are now having 3 meetings a month:
1 pirate drink, 1 crew meeting and 1 'navigation table' which is our do-meeting.

We have between 5 and 10 active members, depending on how you count them, and what you consider as active. Our internal email goes to 17 people who wish to receive them and consider themselves a pirate or at least heavily affiliated.

I did some minor updates on our wiki. I may do this once in a while.

PS

Pat Seynaeve Sat 18 Feb 2017 1:59AM

Ghent is alive and kickin' …
They are very active (and pity enough only) on facebook
Every month we have one meeting where mostly 7 to 10 members are present and one drink where 20 to 30 people are coming.
Meeting reports are published in slack for internal purposes, and I will ask and propose to put them on the wiki.

H

HgO Sun 19 Feb 2017 9:46AM

Are those minutes private, aka not meant to be public ? Would it be possible to have access to this slack, please ? :) I won't participate, but I'd like to have a look at how you work :)

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