Come join the core team for 2020 and "share the love".

im am truly sorry if you feel troubled by my comments. that was not my intention. I guess i'm failing to understand as to what you think a respectful and transparent way is for the type of criticism i'm talking about under the current system. You said "I still feel the 'they said' thing is gossip so I won't respond" so apart from repeating the statement with the person's name in it, what else can i do ?

Personally I feel the lead roles should be paid. The amount of work and responsibility they take on is enormous. I feel it would be more fair, if the lead roles were financially compensated for doing the lions share of the work. If anything goes ‘seriously’ wrong at an event, the ‘blame’ will land on their shoulders. I feel that’s too much to ask of a volunteer.

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Participating in burn events is defined, among other things, by everyone having to pay for a ticket, however much they are contributing. There are, for sure, negative as well as positive consequences of this: particularly with regards to the demographic of who can afford to work for free, and who wants to work for free for a fairly hedonistic cause. I feel your feel, and I think we have a reallly big duty to work on our governance to support those who take on lead roles to be both supported and accountable to others. We also have a duty to step up and have co-leads and mentors, so that taking on a lead role at a burn can be an experience that is rewarding, supported, empowering and safe rather than leading to burn out.
It is an option to pay for particular services: eg we pay for portaloos, waste disposal, medical and security, and when there aspects of work which can be outsourced, and doing so would relieve a significant burden from a volunteer and enable the event to function better, this is a decision to be made on a case by case basis.

If you want to have this discussion in more detail, maybe take it over into the Nest governance subgroup.

the issue of only being open to those who can afford to give so much time is a complex one with no easy solution, the best i've come up with in the past is finding ways to include people even at the highest level who can only give one hour a week. it ends up taking other peoples time to do it, but for people like me who feel full inclusion is more important than other concerns, i'm happy to put the extra time in to make that possible (in the case i'm talking about i send them summaries of what was going on each fortnight and they chose single things they could manage to take on when they could and where well enough, with no pressure to even stay in the loop when they weren't)

AfrikaBurn and Burning Man I get a free ticket for the work I do. Love Burn was going to give me a free ticket if I did 3 shifts, but I tagged out of that as I only wanted to do one shift. A lot of burns gift you a ticket based on the number of hours of work you do.

They're not really gifting you a ticket if it's an exchange for the work you put in. They're paying you with a ticket. I've never heard of this practice at Burns before and I doubt that it would have much popularity in the Nest community, for all kinds of reasons.

Pretty much most of the larger burns do this. As they have all found that most people are not willing to work throughout the burn otherwise, in enough numbers to give coverage to the city. People do it for a couple of years, burn out and go do something else. And yep, it won't have popularity in any of the European burns where it's not common practice. It's also a note that at Burning Man for example, 40% of attendees are virgins.

How would you feel about starting a subgroup for discussing interest in next year's roles?
(I'm up for doing this next week if you are up for it but don't have capacity)
Proposal:
1.start a sub group of Loomio 'Nest 2020 Roles'
2. Start a discussion thread for each role to be filled
Encourage people to express interest without committing, to seek co-lead collaborations, to ask questions for the community to answer about the remit of roles,

This might be really useful, or it might be of limited use, but would give a transparent way for the level of interest to be seen and for people to interact with others interested in the same role without it having to go through one person and create a big workload for that one person.

HI Bess, I've posted this thread entirely to get interest in lead roles. Loomio seems to encourage deviations of topics, but that the initial intention!

I feel that if we pay our core team, we’re also protecting future events, because if we relieve the financial and time burdens from our core team, they will be in better situation to deal with everything they need to do. I’m also aware that it may be difficult for the core team to say ‘I’d like to get paid’ to the community. But if we collectively, financially ease the burden of our core team, I feel we should. If that means ticket prices increase, I’m also happy about that. But if I’m missing a point or fact in someway, please let me know, and I’ll drop this subject 😊